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Old 07-25-2012, 10:04 AM   #4861 (permalink)
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Aww, don't be mad 'cos your boy Trips had his ass handed to him by Taker at 3 different WMS...

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As for the already ongoing mark wars lol, I'll just say this. CM Punk, after this weeks show, has well and truly been given the ball. Like somebody else pointed out, HE ended the show over everybody else. It's all on Punk now, and his booking of course. But I have a feeling he's going to get a proper shot this time. If they do this right and treat him like the big deal they want us to believe that he is, then this is it for him. Judging by what we've heard here, a HUGE number of people saw what went down during the overrun. Over 6 million people. One complaint from everybody has been that WWE doesn't use their older stars to give the spotlight to the newer ones. Well they used Rock here to do just that. Punk had all those eyeballs on him. Rock won't be on the show next week but Punk will. CM Punk is now the hook. It's on him. Of course, Cena is there which will help but they are going to have to promote this as all about Punk, not Cena.

If he's going to complain about being overlooked etc then they're going to have to have him closing shows and doing what he wasn't doing before; headlining as the star of the show. If it works, there you go, they will have a legit new star on their hands. They weren't ready for what happened last year but I'd like to think some measure of thought has gone into this. This will be Punk's proper run with the ball. What I want to see next week is him portrayed as the huge deal they will be expecting us to believe he is. I also want him to cut a promo explaining himself, on his own, and I want to see a big number for that segment. I want to see CM Punk, on his own, without Cena, without Rock, without HHH, without Vince, pulling in huge numbers like he should after this. If that happens, maybe I'll have some faith that this was the right move to make. If not, then I really don't know what to say tbh. What can you say? If people don't tune in to see this, to see the aftermath, all those extra people who were watching then what can you say?
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Old 07-25-2012, 10:25 AM   #4862 (permalink)
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"Cena and Rock have been main eventing PPV's over me" "Not anymore"

*HHH Vs Brock Lesnar main events SummerSlam*
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*HHH Vs Brock Lesnar main events SummerSlam*
That's why I think the WWE title match should now main event Summerslam. Trips/Lesnar won't be hurt at all if it takes place in the middle of the show or wherever. It's a special attraction match. Whether it takes place in the middle or at the end, people will still pay to see it. Neither Brock or HHH need to be portrayed as huge deals either because they already ARE huge deals. Punk, however, isn't at that level and the only way he's going to get there is if he starts backing up what he says. It will be beyond stupid if he says that he has been overlooked so he turned his back on everybody only to continue to get overlooked lol. Let, what I assume will be a triple threat with Punk/Cena/Show, close out Summerslam. It won't hurt HHH/Brock at all.
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By that logic, CenaVsRock at WM 28 shouldn't of main evented over the title.
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By that logic, CenaVsRock at WM 28 shouldn't of main evented over the title.
Don't know where you're getting that from. I'm talking about Summerslam. HHH/Lesnar is a huge match but it isn't Rock/Cena big and it isn't Wrestlemania. Also, they have officially pronounced Punk as the man of the moment after Raw. He was never that during the RTWM and they didn't try to tell us that he was either. I'd like to think that the ending of Raw was a statement of intent and if it is then Punk should take top billing. If it was a statement of intent that Raw will be all about Punk going forward then they should follow through and make that the case.
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The Rock is the G.O.A.T. Daniel Bryan looks like a goat, quite a difference.
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I did hold on to an optimistic feeling that they were going to use the 1,000th episode and its main event/overrun to put Punk over--really for the first time as WWE Champion, aside from Chris "Catapult" Jericho working with him and putting him over during Wrestlemania season and at Wrestlemania and Extreme Rules--and WWE did that, though I'm naturally at least healthily concerned that in that same moment they may have pointed to hurting his booking since he's now a heel and we all know heels can't have any moments of intelligence/foresight/courage/fortitude/dominance, at least not when interacting with John "Shall Overcome" Cena.

It certainly is all on CM Punk now, they finally gave him the chance to simply stand out as a true star, not just a "fighting WWE Champion," which they've clearly regarded as only minimally worthwhile. It's also on WWE to capitalize on this and not fuck it up. It's in their interest to not. This is the guy they have on the ads and cover for the WWE 13 video game and he has a DVD coming out in a couple of months. A powerful villain is more compelling to people in most cases than a weak one (which is one reason I afford Miz so much credit for his ability to stand alongside Rock and Cena and carry his end of the program and more in the WM27 build-up, and at least WWE finally depicted him as downright cunning, which aided him greatly).

Patience is also required, and based on how long Punk's been champion already I'm also solidly optimistic on this score, too. That added first hour (which, lol, I did completely forget about in my analysis with Starbuck over what they should book for next week, too... if we are forgetting about it, how many more casual fans are?) is going to harm them as far as the overall rating to the show goes. Most wrestling outlets will probably begin posting the overall three-hour rating and viewership, followed by the rating and viewership for the 9-11 hours. Even on this enormously hyped Raw this week the early hour gave the overall three-hour rating an elbow to the teeth. The key will be seeing how Punk does, opposite Cena at first and then as they separate once again from one another, away from him. I hope they have Orton return and feud with Punk again in a more back-and-forth affair this time, and even more than that, it would be grand to see face Triple H/heel Punk work Survivor Series together with Trips coming back for the last Raw in October (which is on Punk's birthday, haha) after going back completely to his behind-the-scenes WWE job following Summerslam.

If the plan is Rock/Punk at The Royal Rumble (which is a safe bet) and if Punk has turned heel in part to secure the match with Austin at Wrestlemania after having "turn[ed] the intensity up" as Austin verbally demanded, Punk should be a completely, 100% "made man" by Road to Wrestlemania season and early spring, and then we can see view how his drawing power is or is not affected. In any event, he will, barring some kind of bizarre calamity, be viewed as a legitimate top-tier capital-S Star for the remainder of his WWE career, which creates stunning opportunities for him but frankly even more importantly for WWE and its fans. Taker, Triple H, Rock and Austin aren't going to be around forever, it is now time to start admitting at least a couple of new "1's"--not #2's, but 1Bs and 1Cs to Cena's 1A. Even if that change does not come with sweeping improvements in WWE's business, it can at least, with no limitations, be engendered in the eyes and minds of the audience through the sheer, unadulterated power of perception and execution.
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Bryan deserves high rating for his promo segments. Dudes brilliant of late.

He's like Kurt Angle of 2000.(without the winning of championships) You know, the massive geek.
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Punk/Trips round II at Survivor Series, Deso? You really see that happening? I don't know. I think Brock takes Trips out at Summerslam and that's him until the RTWM. Punk's turn does suddenly put Austin/Punk back on the table though and if it is, he will be a made man from working back to back programs with Rock and Austin. There's no way he can't be lol but the first hurdle is how they book him against Cena and it's a mighty big hurdle indeed.

EDIT - You know I just saw something that might work regarding HHH/Punk actually. The closing image of Brock/Punk/Heyman at the end of Summerslam. They form an alliance, maybe after Brock helps Punk retain or something. Brock goes away again and Heyman sticks around to manage Punk for the next few months. HHH returns around Survivor Series and there you have it, your S.Series main event, HHH/Punk.

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I think Triple H vs. Punk could very well happen, if for no other reason than for lack of any strong, credible babyfaces with whom Punk can feud between Night of Champions time, when he's presumably done with Cena, and January. Unless of course they have Cena and Punk feud all the way to Hell in a Cell in climactic fashion, which... Could happen. Perhaps it'll be Show/Cena/Punk at Summerslam, Punk retains, then it's Cena vs. Punk in Boston at NoC, Punk retains but Cena gets some moral victory afterward or whatever, feud heats up and it gets blown off at Hell in a Cell. If that is the plan, it would buy them plenty of time to build somebody else or turn somebody (like a Bryan or whoever) for Survivor Series/TLC time. Of course, having Punk work three PPVs in a row with Cena is perilous because as we all know by now, Cena cannot go more than two PPVs in a row without getting his win. Show could take teh fall at Summerslam, though, there could be some extremely shoddy finish at NoC to piss Cena/whatever fans he actually has in his hometown and then the capper would be Punk outsmarting and out-sadism-ing Cena inside the Cell (lol, I can't believe I'm even talking about Hell in a Cell this way... they probably should scrap the PPV after the End of an Era match at Wrestlemania, but on the contrary, they'll see that match as having boosted HIAC's prestige and importance as a gimmick match to perhaps even increase buys year vs. year for that PPV). That would put Punk over with an almost minimal amount of damage done to Cena, with only one "clean" loss to Punk at Hell in a Cell.

I think Trips/Punk II is much more realistic now that Punk's heel, though. On one hand Triple H might not return until RTWM time but I can see Vince become antsy when Monday Night Football season is at its peak in the middle of fall and wanting Trips to work wtih Punk for at least a solid month. But again, that is a bit off in the distance at this point in time. All I know is I'd certainly like to see Triple H/Punk again, with no more vague, ambiguous "I'm sort of a tweener face, but I'm a complete douchebag asshole, too"/"Well I'm going to outshoot you, you shooting shitter shooter"/"Oh yeah? Well, you and Vince only dig bodybuilders," crap. Just a hot, heavy babyface legend Triple H vs. dastardly heel WWE Champion CM Punk. It would be cool if Punk were so well-booked that his crimes against humanity in WWE draw Triple H back out early from rehabilitating his broken body following Summerslam, which is the perfect precondition to letting Punk go over Triple H at Survivor Series or wherever, maximizing heat on Punk and sympathy for the fallen legend he's tormenting.

I also love the idea of Punk and Brock both being "Paul Heyman guys," and clearly you do, too, haha. Once Brock exits after halfway crippling Triple H at Summerslam, Heyman can indeed form an alliance with Punk and right there you have a mighty catalyst to bring Triple H back into Punk's world. Excellent thinking, there, Starbuck.

Argh, why do I build up my expectations through forays into wishful fantasy booking at times like these?
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