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Old 06-14-2012, 10:20 AM   #4061 (permalink)
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So he hacked the Nielsen ratings? Seemingly Dave does this weekly if that is your theory.
That's not his point. Fact is when Meltzer doesn't like someone he has no problem putting them down and taking shots at that person. For instance, Meltzer doesn't like Bob Backlund. In fact, it could be said that he hates Bob Backlund. When he brings up Backlund he consistently takes shots at the guy. He called Backlund naive, slow, incompetent in his money because he invested it in bad businesses. On the other hand, Meltzer is a Flair mark. For years Meltzer said nothing about Flair's wasteful spending, his overcompensation of alcohol that leads to him getting naked and flashing everyone, or other embarrassing activities. Seriously, most of us didn't learn about the extent of Flair's problem until several months ago when some reporter from a newspaper wrote about it. Do you seriously think Melzter, one of the top journalist on the wrestling business, didn't know about this? For a while the worst you hear Meltzer say about Flair was the mentioning of the plane ride from hell.

Also, I don't get why people keep saying Rock316AE is Meltzer. I heard Meltzer and Alvarez say a bunch of things that Rock316AE disagrees with. Just recently, Meltzer said that NWO is going to do a bad buyrate and that the Big Show angle this week on Raw did nothing to sell the PPV. He even mentioned that someone in the company called or texted him and said they were worried that the PPV was going to bomb. I'm pretty sure Rock316AE is a Roode fan and I heard and read Meltzer and Alvarez question whether Roode should be the guy and imply that Roode is the reason why TNA's ratings have fallen the past few months. Rock316AE thinks WWE should fire the entire roster, especially the indy, vanilla midgets, but Meltzer and Alvarez have said that WWE needs to continue to push these younger stars instead of the WWE's current method of push, stop out of lack of interest, and depush. There are a bunch of other example that I would have to look up, but I made my point.
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Old 06-14-2012, 10:31 AM   #4062 (permalink)
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These are long term ratings trends.

Look at previous ratings in that quarter over long period of time and come back to me.

Look at quarters Punk is in where he is meant to be the one driving the rating over long period of time and come back to me.

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Also, I don't get why people keep saying Rock316AE is Meltzer. I heard Meltzer and Alvarez say a bunch of things that Rock316AE disagrees with. Just recently, Meltzer said that NWO is going to do a bad buyrate and that the Big Show angle this week on Raw did nothing to sell the PPV.
Neither would be caught dead posting on this forum. Bryan barely posts on his own forum and Meltzer would a breakdown correcting the general idiocy and basic errors people make here. Meltzer has his own distinctive way of writing which is easily discernable which is probably foreign to most here as most don't read the Observer and with with no disrespect to Rock316AE Meltzer comes across far more knowledge in his posts.

Rock316AE isnt Meltzer.

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These are long term ratings trends.

Look at previous ratings in that quarter over long period of time and come back to me.

Look at quarters Punk is in where he is meant to be the one driving the rating over long period of time and come back to me.
So you completely ignore my points.


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Neither would be caught dead posting on this forum. Bryan barely posts on his own forum and Meltzer would a breakdown correcting the general idiocy and basic errors people make here. Meltzer has his own distinctive way of writing which is easily discernable which is probably foreign to most here as most don't read the Observer and with with no disrespect to Rock316AE Meltzer comes across far more knowledge in his posts.

Rock316AE isnt Meltzer.
Dude, I know that ROCK316AE isn't literally Meltzer. My point was people keep saying that they think alike when they don't.
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Meltzer does not like Punk.
Not even close lol. He is actually biased(favorable) when it comes to the Rock and internet darlings which includes punk, probably because large percentage of his subscribers are internet fans. The Rock is his close personal friend.

There's a whole thread on meltzer and his bias at Wrestlezone board.


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Dude, I know that ROCK316AE isn't literally Meltzer. My point was people keep saying that they think alike when they don't.

Ironically, from what I've seen the one thing Rock316AE strongly disagrees with is Meltzer's views on Punk/bryan etc... cant blame him though.
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:23 AM   #4065 (permalink)
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So you completely ignore my points.
They dont have anything to do with ratings thought. You would have a case for bias if he didnt comment on loads of wrestler's affect positive or negative on ratings every week. He has always been skeptic of Punk he is so so for business.

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There's a whole thread on meltzer and his bias at Wrestlezone board.
Which is laughable itself. Somehow I don't think there is a great cross over between Observer and Wrestlezone readers.

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Old 06-14-2012, 11:25 AM   #4066 (permalink)
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The Rock isn't his close personal friend. They hardly even talk to each other.

If Dave has a question to ask him, he emails him. Hardly a thing a 'close personal friend' would do. They'd just call them up.

Back to the email thing. Dave would email him, but Rock can take weeks to get back to him. Again, not a thing a 'close personal friend' would do.
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:29 AM   #4067 (permalink)
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Hour 1
Q1 - 2.88 rating / 4.15 million <-- 1 minute of commercials; Vince/Johnny/Sheamus opening segment
Q2 - 2.59 rating / 3.74 million <-- 5.5 minutes of commercials; Sheamus vs Tensai
Q3 - 2.69 rating / 3.88 million <-- 7.5 minutes of commercials; Teddy/Johnny/Vince/Vickie backstage, Tensai destroys Sakamoto, Raw 1000th moment, Truth interview
Q4 - 2.76 rating / 3.98 million <-- 4 minutes of commercials; Santino/Layla vs Ricardo/Beth; Otunga/Vince/Kofi/Johnny backstage; Bryan entrance

Hour 2
Q5 - 3.39 rating / 4.96 million <-- no commercials; Bryan/Kane/Punk/AJ in-ring segment
Q6 - 3.40 rating / 4.96 million <-- 6.5 minutes of commercials; Fatal 4 Way match
Q7 - 3.30 rating / 4.82 million <-- 3.5 minutes of commercials; Fatal 4 Way match conclusion; Vince/Natalya/Cameron/Naomi/Ryder backstage, Ryback squash
Q8 - 3.30 rating / 4.82 million <-- 7 minutes of commercials; Steel Cage 'entrance', Vince/Hornswoggle/Cena/Otunga/Regal backstage; Kofi entrance; Big Show entrance

Hour 3
Q9 - 3.59 rating / 5.14 million <-- 3.5 minutes of commercials; Steel Cage match, Sin Cara vs Curt Hawkins
Q10 - 3.28 rating / 4.69 million <-- 7.5 minutes of commercials; Cara/Hawkins conclusion (about 1 minute), Triple H/No Way Out hype, Vince/Bryan backstage, Raw 1000th moment
Q11 - 3.50 rating / 5.01 million <-- 3.5 minutes of commercials; Heath Slater vs Vader, Make a Wish trailer, Punk/AJ backstage, Kane/Bryan entrances
Q12 - 3.49 rating / 4.99 million <-- 3 minutes of commercials; Punk/AJ entrances, Punk/AJ vs Kane/Bryan, ECW DVD trailer, SmackDown trailer, start of final segment
Overrun - 3.99 rating / 5.72 million <-- overrun = 13 minutes long, no commercials (obviously)

Conclusion: I feel sorry for American's that watch TV live... and it's pretty evident why certain quarters did not do as well (ie Q10).

Based on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmDYF8g3iNQ

How long does an average 2 hour episode of Raw last in USA? Cause I think Canada might be diff lengths. Canada starts 15 mins later than USA, and I'm wondering if Canada just has less commercials as well. Cause average Raw lasts 2 hours 10 mins in Canada, but commercial breaks seem to last like 3 minutes.

But WWE is probably the worst at commercial breaks of all shows on TV(except football,who has a commercial break every 2 minutes it seems like lol).

Why can't they just have consistent commercial breaks. No commercials during matches either.

It sucks watching it on TV and then having them come back from a commercial just to see a backstage segment that's useless,a 2-3 min video package for something random, then the "up next" screen and back to more commercials.
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It is.

It has nothing to do with bias and everything to do with well established trends.

This place can be really fanboyish.
WOW. way to completely miss my point. I know its A "weak gain" although I've gone over wh yI hate people calling it that many times so not going back into that.

It also has nothing to do with who I am a fan of or not a fan of. My point, on the biased reporting comment, is just for weeks why Punk/Jericho were pretty much the 10 PM segment i got to read every week that their 150-350 K gains there were "weak gains". This weak a Show segment same #'s range but totally passed over and not even mentioned as weak, jsut shows a biased in the reports thats all.
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D.M.N.'a breakdown with the commercial time really brings it home. Must be included every week from now on!
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D.M.N.'a breakdown with the commercial time really brings it home. Must be included every week from now on!
Agreed. B.M.N. should replace Meltzer on WO.
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