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Old 06-03-2012, 10:18 AM   #3671 (permalink)
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The Russo love always baffles me. His run in WWF was good - 97/98 was an awesome run, 99 was mostly garbage - but his time in WCW & TNA saw the quality drop drastically. WCW went to shit around the time Russo entered, and TNA became damn-near unwatchable (after a really strong 05/06). Since Russo's departure, TNA has made massive strides of improvement, and WWE became a much more consistent product in 2000.

Ratings can't be argued with though. Russo is a ratings god - but then, so are American Idol & Dsncing with the Stars.

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Old 06-03-2012, 11:02 AM   #3672 (permalink)
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The same reason why all Punk marks love Heyman so much.

It's an Attitude era thing.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:12 AM   #3673 (permalink)
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The Russo love always baffles me. His run in WWF was good - 97/98 was an awesome run, 99 was mostly garbage - but his time in WCW & TNA saw the quality drop drastically. WCW went to shit around the time Russo entered, and TNA became damn-near unwatchable (after a really strong 05/06). Since Russo's departure, TNA has made massive strides of improvement, and WWE became a much more consistent product in 2000.
In 1999 the in-ring wrestling was mostly garbage with its mostly pathetic PPVS. But back then you had a reason to tune in to Raw the following week or sometimes the night after a PPV depending on how the show ended. Russo had nothing to do with the workrate. WCW was absolutely BORING and contrived TV before Russo showed up. Sid Viscous' "undefeated streak" was the big storyline at the time. Benoit, Eddie, Saturn, Malenko and Douglas were all being completely buried before Russo showed up. Things got better and more interesting, but the problem was he was given 100% total control over everything and it soon came to bite them. TNA there were some good moments with him having some more power especially in 2008-2009.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:43 AM   #3674 (permalink)
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In 1999 the in-ring wrestling was mostly garbage with its mostly pathetic PPVS. But back then you had a reason to tune in to Raw the following week or sometimes the night after a PPV depending on how the show ended. Russo had nothing to do with the workrate. WCW was absolutely BORING and contrived TV before Russo showed up. Sid Viscous' "undefeated streak" was the big storyline at the time. Benoit, Eddie, Saturn, Malenko and Douglas were all being completely buried before Russo showed up. Things got better and more interesting, but the problem was he was given 100% total control over everything and it soon came to bite them. TNA there were some good moments with him having some more power especially in 2008-2009.
There were some good angles during 99 - usually consisting of the main-event talent, and I'm not denying that it provided some gripping television, but it very rarely came together in a coherent manner. Overall I thought that the product in 99 was awful, and things improved drastically after Russo left (not for a few months, mind you).

It's possible that Russo could help the product today, because Raw really has nothing going for it at the moment, but there's also a good chance that we'd get 'Judy Bagwell on a pole' matches, and angles that culminate in the crowning of David Arquette as World Champion.

I'm not denying that Russo had his moments in WCW/TNA, but I strongly believe that things really went to shit for WCW when he showed up. The product was stagnant before he arrived, but it wasn't overtly moronic. After Russo arrived, WCW produced some of the most outrageously idiotic and asinine angles in wrestling history.
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:26 PM   #3675 (permalink)
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It's possible that Russo could help the product today, because Raw really has nothing going for it at the moment, but there's also a good chance that we'd get 'Judy Bagwell on a pole' matches, and angles that culminate in the crowning of David Arquette as World Champion.

I'm not denying that Russo had his moments in WCW/TNA, but I strongly believe that things really went to shit for WCW when he showed up. The product was stagnant before he arrived, but it wasn't overtly moronic. After Russo arrived, WCW produced some of the most outrageously idiotic and asinine angles in wrestling history.
I agree. I'm not denying the idiocy of WCW 2000, which people on here are comparing WWE's current product to. But at least back then it wasn't so boring, simplistic, watered down and pandering to a segment of the audience that is asleep when Raw is still on the air. As for Judy Bagwell and David Arquette(which wasn't Russo's idea), is it THAT much worse than Trump vs Rosie, Raw is Looney Tunes, a midget being pushed harder than 90% of the roster, guest hosts taking up too much time, and the world titles being treated as midcard belts?

And back then he didn't have a Vince McMahon or even a HHH as a filter.

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I agree. I'm not denying the idiocy of WCW 2000, which people on here are comparing WWE's current product to. But at least back then it wasn't so boring, simplistic, watered down and pandering to a segment of the audience that is asleep when Raw is still on the air. As for Judy Bagwell and David Arquette(which wasn't Russo's idea), is it THAT much worse than Trump vs Rosie, Raw is Looney Tunes, a midget being pushed harder than 90% of the roster, guest hosts taking up too much time, and the world titles being treated as midcard belts?

And back then he didn't have a Vince McMahon or even a HHH as a filter.
You're probably right in suggesting that a lot of the WWE's worst angles over the past half-decade are equal to or worse than some of Russo's biggest blunders. The WWE have definitely produced a lot of crap in recent years. Rosie/Trump might just be the most atrocious thing I've ever seen in mainstream wrestling.

It's possible that Russo could instill some new life into the product, given how boring and bland it is at the moment, and I guess even if it didn't work, there would really be no harm done. At least there would something happening. I'm really struggling to think of the last time the WWE had more than two storylines going on across both brands, or god forbid a midcard feud with some deep backstory.
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It's possible that Russo could instill some new life into the product, given how boring and bland it is at the moment, and I guess even if it didn't work, there would really be no harm done. At least there would something happening. I'm really struggling to think of the last time the WWE had more than two storylines going on across both brands, or god forbid a midcard feud with some deep backstory.
Yeah, I'd take just about anything these days to freshen the product, Russo included. And WCW 2000 wasn't as bad as some people make it out to be. Oh sure, it had plenty of stupidity as you mentioned, but one thing going for it was the unpredictably it produced each week. WWE is about as predictable as it gets these days, which is a shame. And at least back then, if you weren't enjoying WCW, you could easily tune in to WWF, who were having one of their best years ever, to get your wrestling fix. These days the top alternative is.... TNA, who I heard just got a .89 on their last episode of Impact, which has gone live now for the foreseeable future.

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IMO Russo doesnt get enough credit for creating star making angles in WWF.
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1999 is the best TV year of all time. PPV year? 2000 and 2001.
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WWE could have the writing team from Game of Thrones or The Sopranos or whatever the fuck else and it still wouldn't matter because they'd still churn out the same shit they do now. When the guy at the top calling the shots can't stick to anything for longer then 2 minutes, this is the end result.
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