[manjiimortal]

One thing i notice here is a double standard. People say that one guy (Punk) can't be blamed because of the bad ratings, and yet are saying that it's Cena's fault (one guy) that WWE is s*** right now.

There is in fact quite some evidence that Punk is a reason why ratings are going down as previously stated, and while he isn't the cause for ratings drop he's certainly part of the problem.

(note the bold and read carefully, because i've notice that some people in wrestling boards don't so much as read what's written, but what they want to be written)

[HalfNights70]

Originally Posted by manjiimortal

One thing i notice here is a double standard. People say that one guy (Punk) can't be blamed because of the bad ratings, and yet are saying that it's Cena's fault (one guy) that WWE is s*** right now.

There is in fact quite some evidence that Punk is a reason why ratings are going down as previously stated, and while he isn't the cause for ratings drop he's certainly part of the problem.

(note the bold and read carefully, because i've notice that some people in wrestling boards don't so much as read what's written, but what they want to be written)

If John didn't hang on the spotlight in the last 3 years, ratings will not drop like that, he's the real reason why there is no real maineventers. He wins all the time against the talents and doesn't let them win fair and square, that means there is not real threats for John Cena. You can blame Punk all you want but it's not his fault they should treat him like a maineventer, he just beat jobbers so what credibility will he have unlike Cena he gets all cake.

[ecabney]

Originally Posted by Vyed

Speaking of Del rio's title reign, its weird that they took the title off him at Night of champions just because RAW did 2.9 with him as champion ONCE, but punk's reign has hit way worse numbers many times yet he's still the champion lol.

Not a punk hater or anything, just sayin....

They took the title off of him because he wasn't over AND was a ratings disaster. At least Punk is over and brings some revenue to the company at least.

[Carcass]

Originally Posted by Vyed

Speaking of Del rio's title reign, its weird that they took the title off him at Night of champions just because RAW did 2.9 with him as champion ONCE, but punk's reign has hit way worse numbers many times yet he's still the champion lol.

Not a punk hater or anything, just sayin....

Didn't they take the title off of him since the Mexican tour was over and that was the only reason they put it on him?

[GillbergReturns]

I only find this thread amusing because most of the people defending Punk and blaming creative are the same guys who will run into anti Orton or Sheamus threads and say what rating killers they are. Hell even Del Rio or Miz for that matter too. When you're guy doesn't draw it's creative. When it's someone you don't like it's them.

The difference between SD and Raw is SD gets 55-60% of the audience so the smarks actually matter on that show. They read the spoilers and decide if they want to watch and that will spike viewership. Their viewership however just doesn't transfer to Raw and that shows why Ratings success Daniel Bryan is not a ratings success on Raw. I'm not saying he's a failure or anything like it's just he's not a draw. Same goes for Punk. They have their audience, they buy their gear, but it's a fixed audience and it doesn't rise the show ratings. Hardcore wrestling fans tend to watch Raw regardless and then complain on this site that they'll never watch again. Does that sound familiar?

Not really hating on Bryan there either.

I think when you look at the roster there's 5 guys now that established or over enough to build around (Cena, Orton, Punk, Bryan, Sheamus) and you have another 5 guys that could occasionally occupy some time too (Mysterio, Del Rio, Miz, Rhodes, Barrett).

The roster isn't bad it's just very few people are being used right. You spend a year building Miz then you completely bury him. There's no true top heel right now. Daniel Bryan is the closest thing but he barely qualifies as a heel. I know fans don't want to boo him but if he was paired with Lauranitis right now he'd be over as sh** as a heel. From there you can easily tie him to Lesnar who kayfaybe wise was brought in by Big Johnny.

[manjiimortal]

Originally Posted by HalfNights70

If John didn't hang on the spotlight in the last 3 years, ratings will not drop like that, he's the real reason why there is no real maineventers. He wins all the time against the talents and doesn't let them win fair and square, that means there is not real threats for John Cena. You can blame Punk all you want but it's not his fault they should treat him like a maineventer, he just beat jobbers so what credibility will he have unlike Cena he gets all cake.

Hogan and Austin did the exact same thing, they always won clean and never ever lost clean. The top guy always goes over because he is the top guy and the promotion is built around him.

Punk, at best, is the Randy Savage to Cena's Hulk Hogan, a guy very much over with the live crowd, but not the one that is expected to carry the company.

[HalfNights70]

Originally Posted by manjiimortal

Hogan and Austin did the exact same thing, they always won clean and never ever lost clean. The top guy always goes over because he is the top guy and the promotion is built around him.

Punk, at best, is the Randy Savage to Cena's Hulk Hogan, a guy very much over with the live crowd, but not the one that is expected to carry the company.

Are you serious...… .

Edited: Just for you to know that Hogan lost clean against Brock Lesnar, Rock, and Kurt Angle thats what I remember there is more but I can't remember. As for Austin he lost clean to Taker, Rock, and that's what I remember but he's a badass so why should he lose, he did put some talents over even if it wasn't clean and he was way bigger draw than Cena will ever be, thats why nobody complained. Cena is just burying them they can't reach the spotlight because of him and Attitude era wasn't about one guy to let you know but now it's all about John Cena and look at the ratings, now the product is more for kids and Cena is the real reason for that. Cena is haunting WWE down, he should put some deserving talents over and let them look like threats, it's not AE so this needs to happen.

[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by HalfNights70

Are you serious...… .

Edited: Just for you to know that Hogan lost clean against Brock Lesnar, Rock, and Kurt Angle thats what I remember there is more but I can't remember. As for Austin he lost clean to Taker, Rock, and that's what I remember but he's a badass so why should he lose, he did put some talents over even if it wasn't clean and he was way bigger draw than Cena will ever be, thats why nobody complained. Cena is just burying them they can't reach the spotlight because of him and Attitude era wasn't about one guy to let you know but now it's all about John Cena and look at the ratings, now the product is more for kids and Cena is the real reason for that. Cena is haunting WWE down, he should put some deserving talents over and let them look like threats, it's not AE so this needs to happen.

If the clean loss thing was a shot at Cena... then I'll say that he's lost clean more than Hogan and Austin. He's lost clean to Sheamus, HBK, HHH twice, JBL, The Rock and Orton at WM24 (triple threat).

Originally Posted by Vyed

Just checked. Del rio's reign did low ratings two times 2.9 and 2.7. The 2.7 RAW was head to head with MNF first week of the year, Patriots/Dolphins did a strong 10.62 and Raiders/Broncos 8.21 rating.

Not really his fault tbh, dont know why they took the title off him.

They probably just didn't want Cena to lose 5 PPVs in a row. (with the exception of NoC, every PPV from MITB to Vengeance, Cena lost in) And of course, another pointless title reign to make him "the biggest superstars ever". And I don't know why you put so much importance into Del Rio losing his title fast when he regained it just two weeks later, went over Cena in their last match and held it for another month.

[deadmau]

Source: The Wrestling Observer

WWE is reportedly alarmed at the low rating that RAW received this week. The show did a 2.7 cable rating, the lowest number of the year, and the big topic of discussion in the company was that as opposed to Randy Orton's suspension.

While the rating was hurt by several factors including Memorial Day, the record-breaking debut of Hatfields & McCoys and the NBA playoffs, officials were reportedly concerned that the CM Punk/Daniel Bryan match lost viewers and that the Alberto Del Rio/Santino Marella match was the lowest quarter hour rating that the show has had in years.

[Loudness]

So, does anyone have the actual quarter hour ratings instead of just verbal things Meltzer said? I'd like to see the official numbers if they are available, normally they should be around by today.