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**The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
For a list of the weekly rating dating back to January, please click here:

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

RATINGS BREAKDOWN FOR THIS WEEKS RAW 4/9

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#519 ·
RAW looked very poor, the backstage segments were awful. Ryder falling onto a mattress. Kane talking on the mic i hate it. Ryder trying to rescue eve trying to change a wheel on the car. and what a stupid looking car it was!

The daniel bryan kofi kingston match was quite decent but i think they should have had more time.

And Jericho ooming in and not talking AGAIN! How stupid does he look, getting really boring. I actually think TNA is much better than RAW and thats the first i have said this in a long long time!

I rate mondays RAW as a 1 out of 10. Lowest score i have ever rated it!
 
#529 ·
Didn't read whole thread, just pointing out that the 18-49 and teen demos were all up while total viewership was down. Quarter hours are dumb because what if segments overrun into each other and what if one has more commercials?
 
#644 ·
What we had:
In the segment-by-segment, Booker T vs. Cody Rhodes lost 149,000 viewers. Backstage stuff with John Cena and Zack Ryder, Big Show and Kelly Kelly, Laurinaitis, Show and David Otunga and Jack Swagger, Dolph Ziggler, Vickie Guerrero and Mark Henry gained 78,000 viewers. Ryder & Eve Torres vs. Tyson Kidd & Natalya and a Cena interview lost 67,000 viewers. Cena vs. The Miz and post-match R-Truth attack gained 325,000 viewers, which is below usual but better than in some recent weeks. Big Show vs. David Otunga with one hand tied behind his back and an Alberto Del Rio interview with the Bellas gained 34,000 viewers. Punk vs. Swagger lost 367,000 viewers. Punk vs. Ziggler gained 172,000 viewers to a 2.91 main event average. The Cena/Kane overrun gained 543,000 viewers to a do a 3.26. As far as the demo changes with Cena and Kane out last, Male teens went from 2.8 to 3.1, Men 18-49 went from 2.8 to 3.2, Women teens went from 1.0 to 1.3 and Women 18-49 stayed at 1.0.
In the segment-by-segment, it was the bad pattern where the highest rated segment was first quarter with the John Cena in-ring and Kane on the tron which did a 3.36 rating. Cody Rhodes vs. Daniel Bryan lost 332,000 viewers. Yep, World champ vs. IC champ and people tuned out. Wade Barrett vs. Santino Marella and the Sheamus/Miz brawl gained 240,000 viewers. A bunch of backstage stuff (Dolph Ziggler interview; Zack Ryder, Eve Torres, Jack Swagger, John Laurinaitis and C.M. Punk) lost 431,000 viewers. Punk vs. Ziggler for the WWE title in the 10 p.m. segment gained 180,000 viewers which is bad for that segment. The return of Chris Jericho lost 82,000 viewers. The Cena & Zack Ryder & Big Show vs. Mark Henry & Swagger 3-on-2 elimination match and show ending angle with Cena, Kane and Ryder gained 383,000 viewers, weak for the overrun, doing a 3.33 rating. Main event saw Male teens go from 2.5 to 2.8, Male 18-49 from 2.9 to 3.3, Women teens from 0.9 to 1.0 and Women 18-49 stayed at 1.1.
In the segment-by-segment, Sheamus & Santino Marella vs. Wade Barrett & Jinder Mahal lost 238,000 viewers. Edge Hall of Fame package, Zack Ryder and Eve Torres backstage and Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston gained 100,000 viewers. The debut of Brodus Clay vs. Curt Hawkins plus Miz trying to recruit Primo & Epico lost 82,000 viewers. C.M. Punk vs. Jack Swagger gained 128,000 viewers and did a 3.00 rating in the 10 p.m. slot, which is terrible for the slot. Backstage stuff with Bellas and Miz and Ricardo Rodriguez, Cena and Ryder and the Four Horsemen vignette lost 193,000 viewers, which is actually much better than that segment usually does. The segment with R-Truth beating on Rodriguez and the Miz/R-Truth brawl, plus the second appearance of the mute Chris Jericho lost 130,000 viewers. Okay, this is something that is noteworthy. Eve Torres in the ring, Kane’s music hitting, Ryder trying to save her, getting her in the car and trying to change the tire lost 544,000 viewers and did a 2.39 quarter. To lose that many viewers that late in the show before the main event is something significant. And John Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler and the conclusion of that segment gained 640,000 viewers, which is normal level, but it still was only a 2.84 overrun, which is the second lowest overrun figure (even the show that did a 2.71 in September hit 3.03 for the overrun), behind only the week they did Punk & Bryan & Ziggler in the trios match, dating back to 1997.
Not many people talk about this but Miz was a terrible drawing champion, always gained below average numbers in the main time slots and even lost there, but I don't think I saw something like Punk, listen to what Meltzer said, on this time last year, they had 800k more viewers! Dave tried to do the math on the spot and it's something like 16% of the audience, just scary that in one year they lost almost million viewers/20%, something needs to be done and the current direction is not the solution. it's all about the presentation in the wrestling business, and while I admit, Bryan is fine in his current role, he and Punk are not main event draws or game-changers, never were, never will be, even their most hardcore fan will admit it.

Meltzer said that the demo for 12-17 was one of the lowest he has ever saw, he even talked to a teacher in school and she said that there was never less interest in wrestling among the kids/teens, what he said and was spot on, that this demo is always there to "look up" to the wrestlers, in a "I want to be like him" type of thing, but now that all the babyface are basically lame/uncool/geeks etc and nobody is larger than life, you got this number, including Cena, the top face that needs to bring this audience but he's considered lame and uncool even in this demo, and rightfully so.

as a long time wrestling fan, the future looks horrendous and scary for them, I seriously don't know what they can do with the current talent roster, a miserable imitation of Austin/Vince for the million time is not going to change a damn thing, especially with this talents, another scary thing for them is the house show business, January is the time when business picks up, ratings, gates etc, this year according to Meltzer? absolutely nothing.

I personally don't like what they are doing with Jericho, I'm a huge fan but he kills all his "superstar aura" with this character. I know that he wants to change and be different every time and I like that about him, but he can't have both, what he's doing right now is not a superstar material.

Let's see what Foley does in the overrun on RAW and Cena in a random segment. last time he lost 400k in the second quarter.
This is the lowest rated January since 97 BTW, and if you don't count the split audience in the MNW, the only year that was lower than January 2012 is January 1995, the only year in RAW's 19 year history.



First hour - 6.4
Second hour - 6.9
Overall - 6.7(6.65)
They did the big segment in the second quarter, time slot that at that time was big in terms of gain.
Breakdown:
Q1 - Vince promo - 5.0
Q2 - Greater power segment, Austin as CEO etc - 7.0
Q3 - Acolytes vs the Brood - 6.8
Q4 - Union segment/Test promo with Stephanie - 6.8
Q5 - Kane and X Pac vs Shane - 6.8
Q6 - Rock vs HHH in a cast match - 7.1
Q7 - Debra, Jarrett, Bass and Venis segment and Godfather vs Gunn - 6.8
Q8 - Snow vs Droz and Vince vs Shamrock in a Lion's Den match - 6.9
OR - Taker vs Show for the WWF title - 7.3

BTW about this Austin/Taker match, it got 9.5 and it's the biggest overrun number in RAW history but it's not a segment, it's count as a overrun number, the highest rated segment in RAW history is Rock This is your life - 8.4, with the start of Rock vs Shane in cage second with 8.3
 
#547 ·
January 2nd, 2012 - Breakdown
Q1 - 3.36 rating / 4.77 million
Q2 - 3.13 rating / 4.44 million
Q3 - 3.30 rating / 4.68 million
Q4 - 3.00 rating / 4.25 million
Q5 + Q6 3.08 rating / 4.43 million
Q7 - 3.02 rating / 4.35 million
Q8 + OR - 3.33 rating / 4.73 million

Not an atrocious breakdown by any means, just disappointing with no bump at all for Jericho's segment. You can't blame his actions once he had come out, the audience didn't predict he was going to do that, so it's all a bit odd. But the numbers do not lie.

January 9th, 2012 - Breakdown
Q1 - 3.07 rating / 4.25 million
Q2 - 2.90 rating / 4.01 million
Q3 - 2.97 rating / 4.11 million
Q4 - 2.91 rating / 4.03 million
Q5 - 2.93 rating / 4.15 million
Q6 - 2.80 rating / 3.96 million
Q7 - 2.71 rating / 3.83 million
Q8 - 2.39 rating / 3.29 million
OR - 2.84 rating / 3.93 million

I think this is more alarming than atrocious. The first thing I'd point to is Chris Jericho's segment under 4 million viewers. It feels as if their work from the "It Begins" promos has been undone or they have gone in entirely the wrong direction. Jericho's angle doesn't get people talking about the angle in a positive light, it gets people talking in a negative light. His segment also doesn't bring old fans which may be concerning. Okay, he wasn't the biggest draw, but I think *some* boost must have been expected. But there was no twist from his angle last week, hell, some people may have just thought it was a one night appearance, which wouldn't surprise me.

The real concern, however, is Q8. RAW should never be recording quarter ratings of 3.3 million unless:

a) it is a holiday (it wasn't)
b) it is on a different channel or timeslot (it wasn't)
c) it is the first hour of a three hour RAW (it wasn't)

Q8 was on from 22:45 to 23:00 which was a Royal Rumble rebound, two commercials and the Kane/Ryder/Eve stuff. So there was only about 5 minutes of action in a 15-minute quarter. But that is no excuse for the extremely poor quarter hour, otherwise you may as well go through the other eight quarters and find the filler material.
 
#548 ·
Q8 was on from 22:45 to 23:00 which was a Royal Rumble rebound, two commercials and the Kane/Ryder/Eve stuff. So there was only about 5 minutes of action in a 15-minute quarter. But that is no excuse for the extremely poor quarter hour, otherwise you may as well go through the other eight quarters and find the filler material.
Yes but the 5 minutes of action was suppose to be diva's match remember? I dont think we can blame ryder or kane on this. People probably tuned in after commercial, saw Eve torres make her entrance and thought its going to be Divas match, so decided to change channel or a "Piss break".

WWE is stupid for running that Kane-Ryder injury/Brawl angle before the divas match.
 
#549 ·
Jericho losing viewers again is just horrible. There's no other way to describe it really. I understand that the overall show is shitty and that the quarter hours he's been given are also a bit odd but this is still a really bad reflection on him. Rock has appeared in Q2 and had a ridiculous gain in a segment that usually loses viewers. Yes I know he's the Rock but still. HHH has also appeared during a random quarter when the shows were also pretty shitty and it gained viewers too. The pattern that we all established a while back was that people were tuning in for the big stars to see what they were doing no matter what and then leaving again in the middle of the show before coming back at the end again. Nobody seems to be tuning in for Jericho at all, not even to see him and then leave when his part is done. After all that hype and.....nothing. It's just not good.

As for the overall breakdown, they flat out suck. But since MNF is done with I suspect that we'll see the viewership bump we were expecting for Jan 2nd next week. Maybe it's just going to come 2 weeks too late is all. If things haven't picked up by the end of the month, then it will be cause for concern; firstly because of the impact on Rumble buys and for obvious reasons also.
 
#550 · (Edited)
I think if something like this happened in the opening slot, 10pm slot 9 (Q5), or last slot of the show, then the numbers we're seeing right now would be terrible. The thing is it hasn't been, and I personally think it's been a mistake not putting him there. HHH was at least always in one of those big slots (Q1, Q5, or Q8+OR) so of course it was going to do well (I wouldn't call it random either). Granted he did a lot better than Punk is now, and he's a bigger draw than Jericho, but I think if Jericho came out in one of the big three quarters, he would've at least gotten a good number for it. Stick him in the Q5 slot next week and see what happened. (I wouldn't expect an 800,000+ increase or something great like that, but maybe a good number like 400k-500k plus increase).

The only reason I can think of that they haven't done it yet and instead have put him in these normally losing timeslots is because they wanted people to really keep their eyes on the TV and stay tuned throughout the whole show for Jericho's return. They wanted to get those numbers to increase the last couple of weeks... but since it's been a surprise to see him in those timeslots and people don't want to see the rest of the shit that goes on, I don't think anyone could really get those numbers to increase at least decently nowadays besides a big draw like Rock, Cena, Taker, or HHH.

I say he should be put in one of the big timeslots, a Cena segment should be put in one of those big timeslots, and then third one is up in the air between another Cena segment/match or a Punk segment (not a Punk match since those have been poor ratings wise). At least try that for next week and see what happens. If Jericho's slot does well then it does well and the angle isn't as much a failure ratings wise as it's appearing. If it doesn't do well... then guess it shows this whole "Jericho being silent" thing just isn't working with the casuals and maybe he should start talking again at least.
 
#551 ·
Why are people surprised at Y2J losing viewers? There is absolutely nothing entertaining about him right now. You could argue that he is planting seeds for a heel turn and a future feud and I would agree with you. As far as entertainment right now regarding Y2J, as soon as I knew he was going to do same thing, I changed the channel.
 
#555 ·
Don't remember HHH being in a Q3 segment unless it was that one time he did a small backstage segment with John L., and that (along with other stuff) lost viewers.

I'll admit though, I can understand this week, after last week why people may have tuned out when he was doing the same thing he did last week. They probably thought he wasn't going to speak... and they were right. Still it was only an 80k loss, so I don't think it's THAT bad. The other thing is Jericho has never been a draw anyway, so that's another reason why I don't think he's doing that badly considering how much those odd quarters can and have lost.

But yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens this week as a whole.
 
#559 ·
Main event rating was poor, if it was Punk in it people would be bitching non stop fpalm people need to face the fact wwe will not garner much ratings anymore, them days of high ratings are gone, wwe are now relying on advertisements and sponsorships and merchandise sales more than anything for money rather than ratings.
 
#561 ·
Watching the Legends of Wrestling Roundtable on "Renegades & Outlaws" & one thing that Jim Ross said really resonated with me. Paraphrasing because I can't remember the exact quote, but he made a comment about how the majority of professional wrestlers today in WWE are content with just doing what they're told & cashing their check because it's a good, high paying job. No one tries to go out & go the extra mile to climb the ladder of success. No one tries to cause any ripples in the water, or ruffle any feathers, because all they care about is keeping their job so they can get another paycheck next week.

There isn't any passion or emotion in the show. As a viewer, you can tell that the wrestlers are just going through the motions. It doesn't feel like entertainment anymore, it feels like watching people work their jobs. Wrestlers like Kofi Kingston come to mind.

That is a big reason why I would guess the ratings are going down. There's not excitement, intrigue, interest or drama anymore. Every week it feels like the week before. Nothing changes on the show. Outcomes of matches don't matter. The belts are all worthless. The feuds are just place-holders until the next Pay-Per-View.
 
#562 ·
The locker room has become too nice it seems lol. It isn't full of veterans with egos all vying for a spot. It's full of green as shit rookies who don't want to rock the boat. If you look at some of the people who have received pushes in the past year or so, they are guys who are reportedly going that extra mile and proving their dedication. Miz and Seamus are 2 names that spring to mind. I remember a quote from somebody, can't remember who, who said that when they broke into the WWF, or E lol, that the locker room was 80% vets and 20% rookies. Nowadays that has completely changed. It may not seem like something major but I think it's very significant. People just coming in for a paycheck will keep a company afloat but they are never going to take it to new heights.

Random thought of the day lol.
 
#565 ·
If he wins the rumble, will you tune in the next night to see what he will do?

Cause if it's a yes...then mission accomplished.
 
#564 ·
Has the latest ratings arrived now? Since the mods moved this into one thread I can't be fucked going back page after page looking for them. Pathetic idea having one thread.
 
#577 ·
Its working? People are tuning out or people dont even tune in for his segments. Fans dont give a shit about jericho.

I wouldnt call that working. Its a shame, Punk needs a better opponent than this failed "Troll" Y2J.



Ryder is somehow the biggest ratings killer it would appear, he's been constantly in the lowest, or one of the lowest rated segments, it's as if fans hate him. I can't see why (inb4Ryderhaters) since he's not THAT bad, even though his RAW character sucks compared to his youtube shows but compared to the rest of the show, the matches or segments with him seem to bomb bigtime.
I think its because most of his fans watch raw on youtube lol.
 
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