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**The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
For a list of the weekly rating dating back to January, please click here:

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

RATINGS BREAKDOWN FOR THIS WEEKS RAW 4/9

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#469 ·
The quarter hour breakdown for the January 2nd RAW should be out within the next 12 hours, which should be interesting to see how the Jericho segment did. Meltzer said 80k tuned out I think it was, but I wasn't 100% sure if that was after the segment finished or people tuned out during the segment.
 
#470 ·
early stats show that it the first hour made 4.05 million viewers, 2nd hour had a decline to 3.92 million viwers ... a 2.90 rating ...NO HENRY NO RATINGS!!!
 
#472 ·
Ah got to love people on here trying to run damage control. It is down basically half a million in a week but people say it is the same....When you are down 20% how is that the same? When "Pawn Stars" beats you thats when you know your in trouble....

Just further evidence that WWE needs to shake things up or 2012 will be a very bad year for them.
 
#509 ·
Im not a fan of pawn stars at all but i find shows of its ilk (hardcore pawn, cash cowboys, american pickers, etc) strangely addictive, theyre all repetitive and happen in short segments so its no harm to tune in and out, which makes it a perfect show to run against raw because whenever raw starts to get boring (such when divas come out) you can just flip over and catch a segment without needing to see the whole show.
Im guessing part of the reason the ryder/eve segment bombed so much was viewers assumed the diva match was starting and tuned out. (shame for them, they missed that thrilling tyre changing action)
 
#473 ·
I think Raw should try to emulate SD. Smackdown gets less viewers, but the difference is not very big, you have to take in account the lack of stars, hype (no epic returns/debuts on SD) and the fact that it's on Friday and not live. Despite all of this they only get a million or so less viewers (at least during the Henry reign, not sure about the recent ratings since Bryan took over but I can't imagine them dropping too much). Imo Smackdown is just the better written show, if it was treated like the A show and was broadcasted during the week it would easily go toe to toe with Raw, and probably outdraw it.

The storylines are more basic but also have twists that actually make sense (Bryan/Big Show/Henry situation, Drew Mac beeing back on SD etc), it's not a Russo like clusterfuck, everyone gets some sort of push there and the matches are FAR more entertaining due to having much more time. It isn't a perfect show, as I said it lacks the over the top storylines and big time feel, but given the ressources they have they make the best out of it. Raw on the other hand has all the ressources they have but the show seems like style over substance nowadays, they have the over the topness but lack most other things. There might be a good RAW once in a while but it's far from consistent and you can only grow a fanbase by putting on a consistent good product (see SD as a positive, or TNA as a negative example).
 
#474 ·
I honestly believe a lot of it is to with the commentary (or in easier terms, simply Michael Cole). He has a genuinely annoying voice and it has only gotten worse since his heel turn 2 years ago. Surely that has to be some sort of a factor in turning away viewers. I know if I want to watch a TV show I don't want to have a helluva annoying sound in the background (I don't mind Cole as i'm use to him but i'm sure it could potentially draw away casuals).
 
#475 · (Edited)
Punk is not a established main eventer yet. Its stupid to argue he should be the top draw, he cant be but he is trying, WWE is trying to make him that guy.

The problem is the shit Storyline cena is involved in. As per the popular opinion John cena is carrying RAW with his starpower but the truth is he doesnt draw as he used to. 2011 his drawing ability has taken a huge hit because of status quo, saved only by the return of the ROCK. But they are damaging whatever left of his drawing power by putting him in these comedy crap with ryder and shit storyline with Kane. I dont know what moron is booking this crap.

John cena needs to be in a better storyline that interests people, simple as that. I have no problem with punk dropping the title to cena again, if need be. Build punk to that level and then have him go over Cena clean. They did that with Orton before, why not do it with punk? Both these guys need to be protected, Punk shouldnt become irrelevant once he drops the title.
 
#482 ·
Kane is by far and away the most interesting storyline for Cena right now.

Which is the saddest element in all of this. They really can't do much better right now.

There's nothing there. Punk's been feuding with young upcomers (ADR, Ziggler). That's boring as Hell. Cena's feuding with Kane. That's boring. Jericho returns. That's boring albeit intentially boring. They try pushing the IWC superheroes and it gets the lowest main event in 11 years.

I don't what kind of booking you think is going to overturn this but it's not going to happen. The interest in wrestling is fading, period.
 
#478 ·
I like how people joke about Russo yet when he showed up in WCW to the moment he got fired a couple of months later, ratings jumped almost a point in that period.
 
#484 ·
I love how a low (or high rating for that matter) always falls squarely on the champion. I never understood that logic. Shawn Michaels was accused of not being a draw in 1996 when WCW took control of the ratings. But Good God! Look at both shows. On one show you had cartoon characters running around like Mantaur with a Shawn Michaels main event, and on the other, they were doing something revolutionary with the nWo. Which show would you watch? The champion can't be blamed for the entire show sucking.

And I'll use TNA as an example. So is it AJ's fault that TNA got their ass kicked by the WWE while he was champion? But wait, I thought Hulk Hogan was going to be the one to change everything and bring in new audiences, so shouldn't the blame fall on him instead of AJ?

Look at Monday's show. The main angle was the Kane/Cena storyline and it has been for the last few weeks, yet the low ratings are Punk's fault? Heck, they even switched Punk out of the main event segments & ratings are still basically the same.

MAYBE, the real culprit falls on creative. The show's are bad and people are turning away. Doesn't matter if its Punk or Cena who is carrying the strap. The show is still going to suck. Where WWE botched it is that The Summer of Punk should have led to a creative high & change of personality for the show and it didn't at all. They are right back to doing what they doing before the Punk shoot pretty much. Yeah, Punk is on top, but its still the same show, same cliches, same stupidity, same presentation. Nothing really changed.
 
#516 ·
I love how a low (or high rating for that matter) always falls squarely on the champion. I never understood that logic. Shawn Michaels was accused of not being a draw in 1996 when WCW took control of the ratings. But Good God! Look at both shows. On one show you had cartoon characters running around like Mantaur with a Shawn Michaels main event, and on the other, they were doing something revolutionary with the nWo. Which show would you watch? The champion can't be blamed for the entire show sucking.

And I'll use TNA as an example. So is it AJ's fault that TNA got their ass kicked by the WWE while he was champion? But wait, I thought Hulk Hogan was going to be the one to change everything and bring in new audiences, so shouldn't the blame fall on him instead of AJ?

Look at Monday's show. The main angle was the Kane/Cena storyline and it has been for the last few weeks, yet the low ratings are Punk's fault? Heck, they even switched Punk out of the main event segments & ratings are still basically the same.

MAYBE, the real culprit falls on creative. The show's are bad and people are turning away. Doesn't matter if its Punk or Cena who is carrying the strap. The show is still going to suck. Where WWE botched it is that The Summer of Punk should have led to a creative high & change of personality for the show and it didn't at all. They are right back to doing what they doing before the Punk shoot pretty much. Yeah, Punk is on top, but its still the same show, same cliches, same stupidity, same presentation. Nothing really changed.
I'll put it to you like this. Let's say Triple H and Zack Ryder appear in a segment together. Doesn't matter what the segment is whether they're cutting a promo, fighting, singing I'm Walking On Sunshine by Katrina and the Waves, whatever. If the segment rating is good Triple H will take all the credit. If the segment rating tanks Zack Ryder will take all the blame. You almost never see a wrestler say "Man that segment rating bombed because of me."
 
#502 ·
Segment Breakdown
From Observer Newsletter

Raw on 1/9 got hammered by the second most watched television show in the history of cable television.

The Alabama vs. LSU BCS championship football game did a 16.22 rating and 24.21 million viewers. The only show in the history of cable to do more viewers was last year’s BCS championship game on January 10, 2011, with Oregon vs. Auburn that did a 17.76 rating and 27.32 million viewers. The third biggest would be an October 5, 2009, edition of Monday Night Football that did a 15.3 rating and 21.84 million viewers.

While Raw was a blah show, most people knew ahead of time it was a show where you shouldn’t throw too much out because any kind of big angle would be wasted and should be saved for 1/16, when the January ratings bounce back should start building for the next three weeks. If that doesn’t happen, then it’s something to worry about.

The show did a 2.86 rating and 4.00 million viewers. It was 9th for the night on cable, with four of the eight shows that beat them being related to coverage of the game in some form. Notable is that NCIS, the show at 8 p.m. on USA, did 4.18 million viewers (the game started at 8:30 p.m. but the pre-game show on ESPN did monster numbers as well). But NCIS doesn’t draw the heavy male demo that both football and pro wrestling do. NCIS beating Raw I think has only happened once.

The show did a 2.5 in Male teens (up 9%), a 2.7 in Males 18-49 (down 4%), 1.3 in Women teens (up 44%) and 1.1 in Women 18-49 (down 8%). The show did 68.7% male viewers.

In the segment-by-segment, Sheamus & Santino Marella vs. Wade Barrett & Jinder Mahal lost 238,000 viewers. Edge Hall of Fame package, Zack Ryder and Eve Torres backstage and Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston gained 100,000 viewers. The debut of Brodus Clay vs. Curt Hawkins plus Miz trying to recruit Primo & Epico lost 82,000 viewers. C.M. Punk vs. Jack Swagger gained 128,000 viewers and did a 3.00 rating in the 10 p.m. slot, which is terrible for the slot. Backstage stuff with Bellas and Miz and Ricardo Rodriguez, Cena and Ryder and the Four Horsemen vignette lost 193,000 viewers, which is actually much better than that segment usually does. The segment with R-Truth beating on Rodriguez and the Miz/R-Truth brawl, plus the second appearance of the mute Chris Jericho lost 130,000 viewers. Okay, this is something that is noteworthy. Eve Torres in the ring, Kane’s music hitting, Ryder trying to save her, getting her in the car and trying to change the tire lost 544,000 viewers and did a 2.39 quarter. To lose that many viewers that late in the show before the main event is something significant. And John Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler and the conclusion of that segment gained 640,000 viewers, which is normal level, but it still was only a 2.84 overrun, which is the second lowest overrun figure (even the show that did a 2.71 in September hit 3.03 for the overrun), behind only the week they did Punk & Bryan & Ziggler in the trios match, dating back to 1997.

As far as growth for Cena vs. Ziggler, Male teens went from 2.4 to 2.6, Males 18-49 from 2.3 to 2.6, Teenage girls from 1.0 to 1.2 and Women 18-49 from 0.8 to 1.0.
Last Week Breakdown
Raw on Jan. 2 did a 3.11 rating and 4.43 million viewers. It’s interesting to note that the prior week’s show did a 2.93 rating but that was 4.47 million viewers. What that means is that the 12/26 show had 1.53 viewers per home, while the Jan. 2 show had 1.44 viewers per home.

The show went head-to-head with the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl game with Oklahoma State vs. Stanford that did a 9.66 rating and 13.68 million viewers. Raw was the 6th highest rated show on cable for the night.

The show did 67.8% male viewers. In the major demos, it did a 2.3 in Male teens (even with last week), a 2.8 in Males 18-49 (up 8%), a 0.9 in Women teens (down 18%) and a 1.2 in Women 18-49 (even with last week).

In the segment-by-segment, it was the bad pattern where the highest rated segment was first quarter with the John Cena in-ring and Kane on the tron which did a 3.36 rating. Cody Rhodes vs. Daniel Bryan lost 332,000 viewers. Yep, World champ vs. IC champ and people tuned out. Wade Barrett vs. Santino Marella and the Sheamus/Miz brawl gained 240,000 viewers. A bunch of backstage stuff (Dolph Ziggler interview; Zack Ryder, Eve Torres, Jack Swagger, John Laurinaitis and C.M. Punk) lost 431,000 viewers. Punk vs. Ziggler for the WWE title in the 10 p.m. segment gained 180,000 viewers which is bad for that segment. The return of Chris Jericho lost 82,000 viewers. The Cena & Zack Ryder & Big Show vs. Mark Henry & Swagger 3-on-2 elimination match and show ending angle with Cena, Kane and Ryder gained 383,000 viewers, weak for the overrun, doing a 3.33 rating. Main event saw Male teens go from 2.5 to 2.8, Male 18-49 from 2.9 to 3.3, Women teens from 0.9 to 1.0 and Women 18-49 stayed at 1.1.
 
#540 ·
Segment Breakdown
From Observer Newsletter



Last Week Breakdown
Ah, that's good! The more the ratings fall the more WWE will doubt their PG product. If just the ratings fall even more the next months, then wwe might bring raw to tv 14 and we will get blood again :D

And there is three stuff WWE need to get better ratings: Better storylines, better booking and blood.(which is needed to get younger fans since this generations kids play shotting games pretty and they also get more blood and violence than previous generations got).


If WWE does these three things i will stop complaining and be happy with the product :)
 
#508 ·
F4WOnline said:
In what definitely hurt the RAW rating, the January 9th RAW Supershow did a 2.86 rating with 4 million viewers up against the Alabama vs. LSU BCS Championship football game which did a 16.22 rating and 24.21 million viewers.

In the segment breakdown, Sheamus and Santino Marella vs. Wade Barrett and Jinder Mahal lost 238,000 viewers from the opener. The Edge Hall of Fame announcement, a segment with Eve Torres and Zack Ryder plus Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston gained 100,000 viewers back.

Brodus Clay's debut vs. Curt Hawkins plus a segment with The Miz, Primo and Epico lost 82,000 viewers. In the 10pm timeslot, CM Punk vs. Jack Swagger did a 3.00 rating and gained 128,000 viewers - another bad number for 10pm.

Backstage segments with The Bellas, The Miz, Ricardo Rodriguez, John Cena and Zack Ryder plus the Four Horsemen Hall of Fame video lost 193,000 viewers. The segment with R-Truth & Rodriguez plus the brawl with The Miz and Chris Jericho's appearance lost 130,000 viewers.

The segment with Eve Torres in the ring, Kane coming out and Zack Ryder trying to save her by taking her to his car lost 544,000 viewers and did a 2.39 quarter rating. It's a bad sign when RAW loses over a half-million viewers before the main event. The main event of Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler and the end segment in the parking lot gained 640,000 viewers for a 2.84 overrun rating. This is about normal viewership for the overrun but the second-lowest rating going back to 1997.

During the Cena vs. Ziggler main event, Male Teens went from a 2.4 rating to a 2.6, Males 18-49 went from a 2.3 to a 2.6, Female Teens went from a 1.0 to a 1.2 and Females 18-49 went from a 0.8 to a 1.0 rating.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter
:lmao @ Zack Ryder! ...and CM Punk
 
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