[AttitudeOutlaw]

Why is anyone remotely surprised by this? Skinny, charismaless indy midgets are never going to draw under any circumstances. It's the same story every week. There's an unspeakably big difference between smart-marks chanting for Bryan/Punk and booing Cena at live shows and what the 99%ers who watch at home like. Bryan and Punk are only there because Benoit went psycho. As soon as Vince decides the heat is off these hacks will be back in ROH.

I'm glad that Show/JL drew huge because it was a great segment and very well-worked.

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by AttitudeOutlaw

Why is anyone remotely surprised by this? Skinny, charismaless indy midgets are never going to draw under any circumstances. It's the same story every week. There's an unspeakably big difference between smart-marks chanting for Bryan/Punk and booing Cena at live shows and what the 99%ers who watch at home like. Bryan and Punk are only there because Benoit went psycho. As soon as Vince decides the heat is off these hacks will be back in ROH.

I'm glad that Show/JL drew huge because it was a great segment and very well-worked.

You know, people at home whether smarks or casuals also like well developed feuds and Punk vs Bryan isn't that in anyway.

[A-C-P]

Originally Posted by AttitudeOutlaw

Why is anyone remotely surprised by this? Skinny, charismaless indy midgets are never going to draw under any circumstances. It's the same story every week. There's an unspeakably big difference between smart-marks chanting for Bryan/Punk and booing Cena at live shows and what the 99%ers who watch at home like. Bryan and Punk are only there because Benoit went psycho. As soon as Vince decides the heat is off these hacks will be back in ROH.
I'm glad that Show/JL drew huge because it was a great segment and very well-worked.

Really don't know any contract details for Bryan but Punk's current contract would suggest otherwise

Its like Starbuck has stated multiple times recently, it really doesn;t matter what wrestlers are involved if there is not story or no reason to care about a match or feud then people won't care about it. Right now Ace/Cena is the ONLY storyline out there and the ONLY match at OTL that has been given a reason to care about for the most part. The WHC fatal four-way has gotten some attention as well. There is no Punk/Bryan feud at all, Punk has spent more time involved in the Ace/Cena stuff than he has been involved in building his own feud with Bryan.

The lost viewers for a random tag match involving the 2 in a segment that is nototrious for losing veiwers anyways can hardly be veiwed as a surprise.

[AttitudeOutlaw]

Originally Posted by Chicago Warrior

You know, people at home whether smarks or casuals also like well developed feuds and Punk vs Bryan isn't that in anyway.

Yes, definitely, but they don't like average looking nerds involved in them on-screen. Wrestlers are supposed to be larger than life in their size, presence and colorful personalities. Punk, Bryan, Bourne, Kofi, Ziggler and the others are killing the business just like how Hart and Michaels nearly did in the mid 90's after the steroid trial. There was bad press after the steroids trials like the bad press after Benoit and Eddie's deaths, thus WWE started pushing tiny guys for a period and the ratings went down drastically.

[Rock316AE]

For the people crying, relax, I know it's the second quarter(not like it matters with these guys lol but anyway), I just threw a line to use that Rock smiley.

Originally Posted by Green Light

So seriously, why the fuck does Johnny Ace draw so well? Anyone have any ideas?

In general, great/charismatic authority figures always did great numbers, Bischoff in WCW and WWE, Vince and Shane etc. Of course Ace is just horrible in everything he does but I guess people can relate to the abuse of power angle, even when a guy like Johnny fucking Ace is doing it. They're always putting him in interesting situations with big names, this week Show's awesome performance, Lesnar, Cena, HHH etc, and he basically took over the show with his ridiculous number of segments every week. The huge 10pm gain is 100% Show BTW, he's the guy who sold the segment so well and he was always a big attraction in house shows and TV anyway which is why he's always protected.

[JoseDRiveraTCR7]

Originally Posted by AttitudeOutlaw

Bryan and Punk are only there because Benoit went psycho. As soon as Vince decides the heat is off these hacks will be back in ROH.

Wait, so they're only here as replacement for Benoit? Do you think once the heat dies off Vince is going to bring Benoit back from the dead? You do know he's dead, right? The fact is people like that style of wrestling style (though Punk doesn't wrestle that style and comparing him to Benoit is ridiculous) and good wrestlers are needed, so the WWE are going to hire people to fill that need

[A-C-P]

Originally Posted by Rock316AE

For the people crying, relax, I know it's the second quarter(not like it matters with these guys lol but anyway), I just threw a line to use that Rock smiley.

It is a cool smiley y and we finally got our Bryan smilies to 1 2


As for why Johnny Ace "draws" Power Hungry Heel Authority figures have always drawn well it seems.

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by AttitudeOutlaw

Yes, definitely, but they don't like average looking nerds involved in them on-screen. Wrestlers are supposed to be larger than life in their size, presence and colorful personalities. Punk, Bryan, Bourne, Kofi, Ziggler and the others are killing the business just like how Hart and Michaels nearly did in the mid 90's after the steroid trial. There was bad press after the steroids trials like the bad press after Benoit and Eddie's deaths, thus WWE started pushing tiny guys for a period and the ratings went down drastically.

How are Batista, Edge, Triple H, Randy Orton, Sheamus and John Cena small guys? These guys were pushed heavy after the Chris Benoit/Eddie Guerrero incidents, which makes your argument invalid. WWE pushes guys like Punk and Bryan because they have stepped up and are better than some of the guys in the current roster. Besides if WWE really wanted to they could take the belt from Punk anytime they want and give it to a guy like Ryback, Big Show, Kane or even back to Cena, but they are comfortable enough with him as champion since he has been champion for over 5 months now.

[AttitudeOutlaw]

Originally Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7

Wait, so they're only here as replacement for Benoit? Do you think once the heat dies off Vince is going to bring Benoit back from the dead? You do know he's dead, right? The fact is people like that style of wrestling style (though Punk doesn't wrestle that style and comparing him to Benoit is ridiculous) and good wrestlers are needed, so the WWE are going to hire people to fill that need

That's not what I said at all. I meant that because Benoit and Eddie gained WWE a lot of bad press for steroids and perceived drug-abuse, WWE started hiring and pushing loads of small guys who clearly had never touched a steroid or even a beer in their lives to hold them up as examples that there's 'nothing to see here' with regards to any perceived drug culture (I say perceived because the naysayers are clueless idiots who don't know a thing about steroids). Like I said, once the heat is off (people forget) then they'll go back to how they were and all these gym-fearing kids will be gone.

[Vyed]

Whats Benoit's death has to do with Punk and bryan? lol