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Old 05-17-2012, 11:27 AM   #3241 (permalink)
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Old 05-17-2012, 11:28 AM   #3242 (permalink)
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His contract signing with Vince gained over 1 million viewers on 7/11/11. There is probably some more he did when he was feuding with Triple H and Cena, but this was last year.
Nuff said really tbh. Ace was able to pull this big of a number with fucking Big Show lol. Everything has gone to shit after that.
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But when an Orton match lost 588,000 viewers in that same timeslot a few months ago it was fine b/c it was just a random timeslot that always loses viewers? So the 2nd quarter hour is now not a random slot that always loses viewers?

This is the inconsistency biased posting I called you on a couple weeks ago. I know it only happens when you talk about Punk and Bryan though.
And this is my biggest problem with Rock316ae. I'm not going to argue that Punk and Bryan are the biggest draws on earth. They have a lot of overcome and their booking doesn't help. My problem though is that when a lose in viewers occur with segments involving Punk and Bryan it's always their fault and no other factors are considered. However, when it comes to someone Rock316ae (and other Rock/TNA marks) like, the other factors are considered and the failure for such segments are dismissed. In the rant thread on Rock316ae a lot of posters defended him claiming that unlike most people on this board he provides facts to back his opinion. He has a huge problem with confirmation bias, and twist the information to fit his worldview a lot more than most posters do.
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Nuff said really tbh. Ace was able to pull this big of a number with fucking Big Show lol. Everything has gone to shit after that.
Well, this proves that if Punk is given a good angle he can bring in good numbers. People are interested in Ace because he has gotten some good development over the past 5 months or so. They know when he is on something big will go down, plus he made Big Show cry lol.
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Why is anyone remotely surprised by this? Skinny, charismaless indy midgets are never going to draw under any circumstances. It's the same story every week. There's an unspeakably big difference between smart-marks chanting for Bryan/Punk and booing Cena at live shows and what the 99%ers who watch at home like. Bryan and Punk are only there because Benoit went psycho. As soon as Vince decides the heat is off these hacks will be back in ROH.

I'm glad that Show/JL drew huge because it was a great segment and very well-worked.
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Why is anyone remotely surprised by this? Skinny, charismaless indy midgets are never going to draw under any circumstances. It's the same story every week. There's an unspeakably big difference between smart-marks chanting for Bryan/Punk and booing Cena at live shows and what the 99%ers who watch at home like. Bryan and Punk are only there because Benoit went psycho. As soon as Vince decides the heat is off these hacks will be back in ROH.

I'm glad that Show/JL drew huge because it was a great segment and very well-worked.
You know, people at home whether smarks or casuals also like well developed feuds and Punk vs Bryan isn't that in anyway.
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Why is anyone remotely surprised by this? Skinny, charismaless indy midgets are never going to draw under any circumstances. It's the same story every week. There's an unspeakably big difference between smart-marks chanting for Bryan/Punk and booing Cena at live shows and what the 99%ers who watch at home like. Bryan and Punk are only there because Benoit went psycho. As soon as Vince decides the heat is off these hacks will be back in ROH.
I'm glad that Show/JL drew huge because it was a great segment and very well-worked.
Really don't know any contract details for Bryan but Punk's current contract would suggest otherwise

Its like Starbuck has stated multiple times recently, it really doesn;t matter what wrestlers are involved if there is not story or no reason to care about a match or feud then people won't care about it. Right now Ace/Cena is the ONLY storyline out there and the ONLY match at OTL that has been given a reason to care about for the most part. The WHC fatal four-way has gotten some attention as well. There is no Punk/Bryan feud at all, Punk has spent more time involved in the Ace/Cena stuff than he has been involved in building his own feud with Bryan.

The lost viewers for a random tag match involving the 2 in a segment that is nototrious for losing veiwers anyways can hardly be veiwed as a surprise.
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You know, people at home whether smarks or casuals also like well developed feuds and Punk vs Bryan isn't that in anyway.
Yes, definitely, but they don't like average looking nerds involved in them on-screen. Wrestlers are supposed to be larger than life in their size, presence and colorful personalities. Punk, Bryan, Bourne, Kofi, Ziggler and the others are killing the business just like how Hart and Michaels nearly did in the mid 90's after the steroid trial. There was bad press after the steroids trials like the bad press after Benoit and Eddie's deaths, thus WWE started pushing tiny guys for a period and the ratings went down drastically.
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For the people crying, relax, I know it's the second quarter(not like it matters with these guys lol but anyway), I just threw a line to use that Rock smiley.

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In general, great/charismatic authority figures always did great numbers, Bischoff in WCW and WWE, Vince and Shane etc. Of course Ace is just horrible in everything he does but I guess people can relate to the abuse of power angle, even when a guy like Johnny fucking Ace is doing it. They're always putting him in interesting situations with big names, this week Show's awesome performance, Lesnar, Cena, HHH etc, and he basically took over the show with his ridiculous number of segments every week. The huge 10pm gain is 100% Show BTW, he's the guy who sold the segment so well and he was always a big attraction in house shows and TV anyway which is why he's always protected.
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Bryan and Punk are only there because Benoit went psycho. As soon as Vince decides the heat is off these hacks will be back in ROH.
Wait, so they're only here as replacement for Benoit? Do you think once the heat dies off Vince is going to bring Benoit back from the dead? You do know he's dead, right? The fact is people like that style of wrestling style (though Punk doesn't wrestle that style and comparing him to Benoit is ridiculous) and good wrestlers are needed, so the WWE are going to hire people to fill that need
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