[AthenaMark]

Who cares what the segments did. Show still did one of the worst ratings of 2012.

[Vyed]

Originally Posted by Chicago Warrior

Didn't his segments with Triple H and John Cena last year gain over 1 million viewers?

1 million? Pretty sure, the highest punk ever did was 800 000 in the overrun along with John Laurinaitis(lol) the raw following Royal rumble I think. He never did a million viewers gain.

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by Vyed

1 million? Pretty sure, the highest punk ever did was 800 000 in the overrun along with John Laurinaitis(lol) the raw following Royal rumble I think. He never did a million viewers gain.

Not a hundred percent, but I think his last Raw match with Cena gained over 1000000 viewers (between SS and NoC). And Punk does consistently get good numbers for the times it he's in when he's not wrestling, even if the gains aren't big (or it's a loss). When it comes to matches though, Punk just doesn't pull in the numbers he should usually. Though this week wasn't bad considering he was in the highest odd quarter hour segment (not Q1, 5, or OR). Last week though was terrible for him as I'm pretty sure he was in one of the lower quarter hours and it was the OR... Not to mention that his match actually lost viewers... well... Punk is very hit or miss.

[Hladeit]

Big johnny is a great TV personality, well developed & consistently pushed character for the past 10 months. I guess that explains the character's success in the ratings. Shame, they dont even push superstars like that anymore. How many guys they ruined since WM 27 because of sheer incompetence and lack of long term planning?

Why has The Miz turned into a jobber even after working with Rock & cena?
Why did Edge beat Del Rio at Wrestlemania? why did Cena beat him at NOC for the title?
Why did Heel HHH-Punk Mania program never happen?
WTF happened to Zack Ryder?
Why the hell are Ziggler & Swagger stuck in a limbo, jobbing to Brodus week after week?

Except for sheamus,bryan & punk, they have managed to ruin everyone else step by step. And if Punk loses the title, he will join the rest of the group relegated back to upper mid-card. Daniel Bryan being one of the established Smackdown main eventers can still survive I guess.

[Vyed]

Originally Posted by Obis

Not a hundred percent, but I think his last Raw match with Cena gained over 1000000 viewers (between SS and NoC). And Punk does consistently get good numbers for the times it he's in when he's not wrestling, even if the gains aren't big (or it's a loss). When it comes to matches though, Punk just doesn't pull in the numbers he should usually. Though this week wasn't bad considering he was in the highest odd quarter hour segment (not Q1, 5, or OR). Last week though was terrible for him as I'm pretty sure he was in one of the lower quarter hours and it was the OR... Not to mention that his match actually lost viewers... well... Punk is very hit or miss.

Which Raw are you talking about? date?

Yeah, I am not blaming him if Miz-punk match for the 100th time, lost viewers but he hasnt proved himself to be a draw either. Something's fundamentally wrong with the guy's character that it doesnt appeal to the fans enough. Maybe looks does matter to the casuals?

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by Vyed

1 million? Pretty sure, the highest punk ever did was 800 000 in the overrun along with John Laurinaitis(lol) the raw following Royal rumble I think. He never did a million viewers gain.

His contract signing with Vince gained over 1 million viewers on 7/11/11. There is probably some more he did when he was feuding with Triple H and Cena, but this was last year.

[Amuroray]

punk cant draw lmao

[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by Chicago Warrior

His contract signing with Vince gained over 1 million viewers on 7/11/11. There is probably some more he did when he was feuding with Triple H and Cena, but this was last year.

Nuff said really tbh. Ace was able to pull this big of a number with fucking Big Show lol. Everything has gone to shit after that.

[JoseDRiveraTCR7]

Originally Posted by A-C-P

But when an Orton match lost 588,000 viewers in that same timeslot a few months ago it was fine b/c it was just a random timeslot that always loses viewers? So the 2nd quarter hour is now not a random slot that always loses viewers?

This is the inconsistency biased posting I called you on a couple weeks ago. I know it only happens when you talk about Punk and Bryan though.

And this is my biggest problem with Rock316ae. I'm not going to argue that Punk and Bryan are the biggest draws on earth. They have a lot of overcome and their booking doesn't help. My problem though is that when a lose in viewers occur with segments involving Punk and Bryan it's always their fault and no other factors are considered. However, when it comes to someone Rock316ae (and other Rock/TNA marks) like, the other factors are considered and the failure for such segments are dismissed. In the rant thread on Rock316ae a lot of posters defended him claiming that unlike most people on this board he provides facts to back his opinion. He has a huge problem with confirmation bias, and twist the information to fit his worldview a lot more than most posters do.

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by Starbuck

Nuff said really tbh. Ace was able to pull this big of a number with fucking Big Show lol. Everything has gone to shit after that.

Well, this proves that if Punk is given a good angle he can bring in good numbers. People are interested in Ace because he has gotten some good development over the past 5 months or so. They know when he is on something big will go down, plus he made Big Show cry lol.