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Old 05-13-2012, 01:35 PM   #3121 (permalink)
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And it isnt enough to be the top star. Lets be honest, In the AE if Stone cold cut promos sitting indian style in the middle of the ring but never backed them in up in action, would he have become a mega-star that he was? Same goes for the rock, remember how he used to "Walk down the ramp" and the crowd goes crazy everytime he says and does it?

You need to have the look and the "badass" booking to draw the fans in millions. snarky mic work isnt enough. .
Comparing generations is meaningless. Stone Cold and the Rock wouldn't have gotten those ovations in the Golden Era either. Times change and as such, so does what gets an audience's attention. This is a generation that hasn't grown up on beautiful and handsome actors, they grew up on above average reality stars. It's a different expectation.

Your second point goes hand in hand with my "generic face Punk" comment. They had him booked as a great heel but look at him now, just another WWE face. He lost his edge, which in this generation was head and shoulders above the next guy. It's easy to book a guy like Punk as a bad ass when he's shitting on the entire roster and continues to win matches against quality opponents. They decided against that however, especially with the currently average mic work and looking very vulnerable in ring (aside from the Jericho vandamabreaker).

I have my doubts that anyone brought up in this era can ever become a draw. The rosters too thin and lacks starpower to truly put a guy over into that territory.
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:12 PM   #3122 (permalink)
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I just saw that segment for first time since months and thought it was extremly awesome and must have got good numbers.
Hours of 4.1 and 4.2 with the peak of 4.7 for the legendary Rock/Austin segment. Classic segment no doubt.
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:47 PM   #3123 (permalink)
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Ofcourse he seemed more over against Del Rio, Ziggler etc.. because they were clear-cut heels. Even john cena with all the hatred gets loud pops against Del Rio, ziggler and Miz.
Actually it's usually a very mixed reaction for Cena, and it really depends on the crowd with Cena whether he gets cheered or not.

But I get what you're saying, and I agree with it. And the Punk/HHH feud was proof of this. He had not only confidence in his mic skills, but also a great character, and coming off the heels of a hot storyline that propelled him into main event. And it worked as him most of the time splitting the crowd with HHH and even as you mentioned actually getting cheered over him once (I believe the last Raw before NOC) shows he had everything he needed at the time to be a big player...

... but the feud didn't have a proper finish to benefit Punk. The next night on Raw was basically the birth of the CM Punk we have today... a very slightly more adult-targeted John Cena. Of course he still got cheered a lot and started getting cheered more consistently by the time Survivor Series rolled around because he went from feuding with a beloved face HHH to straight-up heels. I don't think his little feud with John Laurinitis though really benefited him anymore than his other feuds as far as getting pops though... which is my main argument against what you said in your original post.

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This is what I was really arguing, as it's not really true. Punk was getting consistent pops whether in smark or casual cities since his feud with HHH ended, long before his little feud with John Laurinaitis really took off in the lead up to the Rumble.
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Actually it's usually a very mixed reaction for Cena, and it really depends on the crowd with Cena whether he gets cheered or not.
Nah.. Cena was getting good pops consistently at the time against those guys until the rock returned. From there on it was back to mixed reactions.

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But I get what you're saying, and I agree with it. And the Punk/HHH feud was proof of this. He had not only confidence in his mic skills, but also a great character, and coming off the heels of a hot storyline that propelled him into main event. And it worked as him most of the time splitting the crowd with HHH and even as you mentioned actually getting cheered over him once (I believe the last Raw before NOC) shows he had everything he needed at the time to be a big player...
Yes the last raw before NOC was the canadian crowd I am talking about. Most likely because of the usual Montreal screwjob heat that shawn and trips generally get there. Breaking point 2009 is a good example.


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... but the feud didn't have a proper finish to benefit Punk. The next night on Raw was basically the birth of the CM Punk we have today... a very slightly more adult-targeted John Cena.
The storyline was a mess because of sheer incompetency and lack of long-term planning.


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I don't think his little feud with John Laurinitis though really benefited him anymore than his other feuds as far as getting pops though... which is my main argument against what you said in your original post.
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This is what I was really arguing, as it's not really true. Punk was getting consistent pops whether in smark or casual cities since his feud with HHH ended, long before his little feud with John Laurinaitis really took off in the lead up to the Rumble.
Pretty sure I remember punk's loud pops were all in smark cities like philly, chicago and New york. I think the feud with Laurianitis, even though a cheap version of Austin-mcmahon, helped him a lot at the time as it was punk's first meaningful lengthy feud since becoming WWE champion.

It wasnt great feud but punk's promos were good.. one promo in particular was really good..


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Hour 1 - 4.094m
Hour 2 - 4.321m

Seems like RAW had heavy competetion from NBA play-offs which topped the Night's ratings above all other shows with 6.7 million viewers.
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Punk/AJ promo bringing in dem viewers!!!!
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:48 PM   #3127 (permalink)
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Second Quarter - 2 million loss.
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Not surprised by the low hour 1 # as I bet alot of veiwers were turned off by last weeks debacle of a show, good to see the # increase for the 2nd hour, segment breakdowns will tell a better story.

The NBA play-offs game I am sure had an effect on the # as well.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:35 PM   #3129 (permalink)
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Number went UP in hour 2 for a change. I bet any money that Big Show getting fired is going to do a fucking monster number or something lol. Oh lord, please don't encourage them, please!! Based on what we know so far, this doesn't bode well for the opener. Inb4demHHHDOESNTDRAWDURR posts lol.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:39 PM   #3130 (permalink)
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The segment with Big Show and Ace will have done a huge number for the 10pm slot.

Many tuning in would of stayed because Big Show was doing an awesome job and he had the whole crowd into it.
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