[#Mark]

Mark Wars is in full effect.

[Rock316AE]

You can go back to find some meaningless fluke number from 4 years ago, just like you can go to 99-00 and bring the 6.0s Albert was doing back then thanks to the show average. A lot of people here need to realize that the majority of the paying fanbase don't see their favorites as real stars and aren't going to order a PPV for them or watch the show. It's not a brain surgery. The only reason people are bringing this up is because of the delusional marks here who are believing that their cult high school gym heroes are bigger than they actually are, you just need to bring them back to reality, that's it. Nothing personal.

Orton in 2009 did the biggest quarters of the year before HHH even came to RAW for their storyline, I think I already showed it in this thread somewhere, the biggest quarters were a Shane match with the punt angle after the match, the Vince segment before the Rumble PPV and the Orton/HHH/Legacy backstage brawl to the parking lot. I think Floyd did a huge number in August that year and you can't count the Trump RAW with no commercials, but even if you want, the peak of that show was for Orton/HHH in a LMS match which did monster number. Besides, Orton did well the entire year, from Cena to Legacy matches.

WWE need to bring back Lesnar as fast as they can even if it means paying him extras because the current state of the show is going to drive fans away in a way that they're not coming back even in August for Lesnar/Heyman/HHH.

[GillbergReturns]

Focusing on the positive. The show started off strong with a 3.5 rating.

I think there's interest in Lauranitis and the storyline of him wanting to create a new face for the WWE.

Since it can't be Brock because of his limited appearances they should try to maneuver someone else into that spot.

[Cookie Monster]

Does it really affect people's views on a wrestler if the ratings aren't up when he's on TV? Like, really?

[Cookie Monster]

Originally Posted by Rock316AE

You can go back to find some meaningless fluke number from 4 years ago, just like you can go to 99-00 and bring the 6.0s Albert was doing back then thanks to the show average. A lot of people here need to realize that the majority of the paying fanbase don't see their favorites as real stars and aren't going to order a PPV for them or watch the show. It's not a brain surgery. The only reason people are bringing this up is because of the delusional marks here who are believing that their cult high school gym heroes are bigger than they actually are, you just need to bring them back to reality, that's it. Nothing personal.

Orton in 2009 did the biggest quarters of the year before HHH even came to RAW for their storyline, I think I already showed it in this thread somewhere, the biggest quarters were a Shane match with the punt angle after the match, the Vince segment before the Rumble PPV and the Orton/HHH/Legacy backstage brawl to the parking lot. I think Floyd did a huge number in August that year and you can't count the Trump RAW with no commercials, but even if you want, the peak of that show was for Orton/HHH in a LMS match which did monster number. Besides, Orton did well the entire year, from Cena to Legacy matches.

WWE need to bring back Lesnar as fast as they can even if it means paying him extras because the current state of the show is going to drive fans away in a way that they're not coming back even in August for Lesnar/Heyman/HHH.

May I ask why sadly, it hasn't drove you away!?

[Kamaria]

Originally Posted by Cookie Monster

Does it really affect people's views on a wrestler if the ratings aren't up when he's on TV? Like, really?

Mind if I quote you in my sig?

[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by ecabney

I find it funny that you picked a guy that's completely useless like ADR to defend your argument. Put anyone that's marginally over in the top feud heading into Mania, and it would be a ratings success.

A little secret: Dolph Ziggler, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan wouldn't be able to do that. And that's three guys you jock, one of which I like. (D-Bryan)

Originally Posted by Vyed

Cena is not a bigger draw. Infact in 2012, Cena is not even a PPV draw. Its the powerful WWE machine. Popularity doesnt prove Cena is a bigger draw. By that standards he is bigger than undertaker, steve austin and pretty much anyone not known as the Rock.

Cena may not be much of a draw today but he still brings the 'casual' fanbase and his crowd reaction proves it. And he's not bigger than Stone Cold (one of the two biggest stars from WWE's most successful era) or Undertaker (a guy who I knew about long before I became a wrestling fan or knew who John Cena was)

How popular was batista compared to undertaker? Wasnt he a bigger draw than him the entire time on SD?

Yes, but Taker has also taken a few breaks here and there for the last few years which has made fans more used to seeing others such as Batista and Edge on the show rather than mostly Taker. Taker is still a bigger name in wrestling history, though.

And Taker/triple H HIAC.

Maybe a few elitists who tried to stand-out by saying the build-up for Rock/Cena sucked. Otherwise, most of the 1.3 million buys came from the interest in the main event that was announced a year in advance and even had non-fans interested. HHH/Taker already had a WM match the year before and I don't know how many actually believed that Hunter was going to beat the streak. Rock/Cena was presented as "Once in a Lifetime", HHH/Taker were having their THIRD match at Wrestlemania, the most anyone has gotten to face Taker at the grandest stage. I bet that's going to help the show sell over the 7 digits mark.

Wasn't Shawn Michaels/Undertaker II the selling point of WM26? This time, they even put HBK's career on the line and guess what... the sales blew for that Mania. So I doubt a match based around a similar storyline with an opponent he's already faced twice was going to sell the PPV just because of the cell structure being placed around the ring.

Wrong. HHH is no lesser name.

Actually, he sort of is. HHH/Rock would have probably gotten the million buys but mostly because of the Rock's in-ring return as he's faced HHH many, many times before. If HHH was such a big PPV draw, let alone bigger than Cena, Night of Champions or Vengeance would have done better with them being two out of his only four PPVs where he wrestled.

Hornswoggle and Great Khali are insanely over as well.

Yeah, with kids who find their length 'exotic'. And also, your point is?

Applies to Orton marks as well.

Not at all. The people who attack CM Punk for being a non-draw are Rock fans with usernames/avatars of Rock, Orton marks don't really give a damn about draws and neither do they yap about how big a draw he is.

How can you tell? This is just your assumption. ADR hasnt even used his gimmick yet.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that someone like ADR wouldn't succeed considering that despite all he's been given within a year, he still can't get a reaction from the crowd to save his life.

yeah AUSTIN did it. FUCKING STEVE AUSTIN, face of AE, did it.

Your point is?

Neither are draws. FACT.

Never disputed that, I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of Punk marks who always have to talk shit about Orton's drawing abilities when their own hero can't draw shit.

[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by Cookie Monster

Does it really affect people's views on a wrestler if the ratings aren't up when he's on TV? Like, really?

Again, no and where the hell has this complete and utter misconception come from? Nobody here has said they only like wrestler A because he draws and they dislike wrestler B because he doesn't. People discussing ratings doesn't have a bearing on their ability to like/dislike the show either.

[Brye]

Originally Posted by Starbuck

Again, no and where the hell has this complete and utter misconception come from? Nobody here has said they only like wrestler A because he draws and they dislike wrestler B because he doesn't. People discussing ratings doesn't have a bearing on their ability to like/dislike the show either.

I don't think that there's anyone saying it but there's quite a few times where it seems people suggest it without saying it.

[Rock316AE]

In my case, most of the time I have the same opinion as the masses and I'm not a stereotypical internet/indy fanboy who likes skinny wrestlers playing grappling because they were in the indies and learn to hate guys like Hogan, Bischoff Goldberg and Nash based on the BS they're telling themselves, that's it. As for drawing cards, this side of the industry is more interesting than the actual product for a long time now, people were always talking about the business side of wrestling but especially since the MNW and continues all the way to today, this is not a real sport so that's all the facts and indicators we have on true greatness.