[Choke2Death]

I would love Brock/Rock at WM29. It'll be a huge match-up and is going to be great. Then I'd also love Cena/Undertaker as it should have been done years ago. The boos Cena gets in New Jersey (they are very underrated in terms of Cena-hating) will be amazing, specially with Taker getting supported over pretty much anyone.

Speaking of ratings, I think Cena gets way too much credit as a draw. Even when he's there, the ratings are hardly affected and he certainly doesn't bring much buyrates for PPVs that he main events. He's just a merch selling fruit IMO.

And fuck Cena/Rock II, that shit will blow unless Cena turns heel.

[Starbuck]

We'll see. Brock isn't here to wrestle remember. He's here to hurt people and cause UTTER FRIGGIN CHAOS lol. He won't be able to do that in regular wrestling matches. Besides, he's already broke HHH's arm. If you think Trips is just going to want to wrestle him then nope lol. This match will be a fight imo. And if there were any 2 guys who would allow Brock to work stiff with them it's HHH and Taker. Sure Taker cut HHH up the hard way in their Mania match and HHH cut the shit out of his back with those chair shots. I don't think they'll have any problem going in there and getting the shit kicked out of them in a match.

[Rock316AE]

Of course Rock is not going to take a jobber beatdown like Cena got, and HHH is also not doing it. Rock can brawl, it's not the problem, with a hot New York crowd at WM, you don't need blood to create an intense atmosphere. Brock is probably changing his style before WM anyway, I can't see them doing the same type of match with HHH and Orton, they're going to get much more offence and would be just stupid for HHH to agree to take legit stiff shots like Cena did. As for the story, they can go in a lot of different directions, the big success outside of the business, the fact that Rock said that he beat them all and actually never beat Brock etc, "the fate of the company" is just one option. A lot depending on Austin, if he comes back, then he should wrestle Brock in the main event and Rock/Taker, if not, I can't see any reason not to do Rock/Brock and Taker/Cena.

[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by Rock316AE

Of course Rock is not going to take a jobber beatdown like Cena got, and HHH is also not doing it. Rock can brawl, it's not the problem, with a hot New York crowd at WM, you don't need blood to create an intense atmosphere. Brock is probably changing his style before WM anyway, I can't see them doing the same type of match with HHH and Orton, they're going to get much more offence and would be just stupid for HHH to agree to take legit stiff shots like Cena did. As for the story, they can go in a lot of different directions, the big success outside of the business, the fact that Rock said that he beat them all and actually never beat Brock etc, "the fate of the company" is just one option. A lot depending on Austin, if he comes back, then he should wrestle Brock in the main event and Rock/Taker, if not, I can't see any reason not to do Rock/Brock and Taker/Cena.

That's true. As usual I'm letting logic get the better of me and trying to weave one story arc into another which is something WWE can't ever seem to fucking do anymore. I will stand by the fact that Brock has repeatedly said he's back to hurt people and bring chaos though. That doesn't exactly have a full impact if he's having regular wrestling matches with people imo. Then again, they can move away from that to something else if they want. I'm just begging for some form of continuity from WWE these days, especially when it comes to their big angles. A well told story isn't too much to ask for lol.

[ChromeMan]

One big problem with Taker/Lesnar is that all of their history took place during Taker's ABA/Big Evil gimmick, which WWE has been shy about showing footage of that version of his character in recent years. And they sure as hell couldn't show their staredown at that UFC event a few years ago, as that absolutely destroys kayfabe lol. Then again, WWE could just pretend that they never faced each other, as they seem to be good at doing stuff like that.

[fulcizombie]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Speaking of ratings, I think Cena gets way too much credit as a draw. Even when he's there, the ratings are hardly affected and he certainly doesn't bring much buyrates for PPVs that he main events. He's just a merch selling fruit IMO.

And fuck Cena/Rock II, that shit will blow unless Cena turns heel.

Cena is not a draw, he just sells t-shirts to kids. The fact that everything is in the toilet right now (buyrates, ratings) with CENA,CENA,CENA in just about every fuckin main event speaks volumes. Wrestlemania was all the rock.

Not that Vince cares, he killed his big draw ,Brock, that was actually bringing ratings and could create the biggest wrestlemania ever with a match with the rock, just so cena gets a few cheap cheers for a few weeks .

[LarryCoon]

I've seen several of these posters' logic and at the end of the day, they are just arguing for their favorite wrestler to win. I just happen to agree with them on Lesnar squashing Cena opening up better storylines and better gains for both stars but these are the same people who argued for Rock to win.

[mblonde09]

Originally Posted by Rock316AE

Nah, this is the worst roster in the history of wrestling in every way. Even to things like real life attitude or carrying yourself like a star, nothing. Just a bunch of clueless, uncharismatic, untalented, default choices who think they're on a school trip. Miserable and embarrassing. The only full time stars, legit stars who are not physically huge like Show and Henry and can go into restaurant and turn heads are Cena and Orton. Then they're surprised when less kids are watching wrestling today than ever before? back then the wrestlers were like role models, the "I want to be like him" figure, now the kid is more "cool" than the wrestler, and don't start on the teenagers when the healthy bunch can kick 90% of the roster's ass.

Really this stupid "school trip" crap again? You really think Orton of all people turns heads and gets people's attention outside the ring? GTFO, with that crap. Orton is not a star - only Orton's fans would know who he was if he walked into a restaurant. "Miserable and embarassing" describes the vast majority of your posts and your existence on this board, BTW. I must say, though, you do an exceedingly good job of making yourself look like a complete fool, pretty much every time you post.

Originally Posted by Rock316AE

Just for the record, Orton is not the biggest TV draw in the company today, he's the second biggest full time name in the industry but not the biggest TV draw or the biggest draw overall, that's not my point, he was in 2009 and he can easily be again but currently it's Cena with no competition, Henry is the second biggest.

No, he's not and Henry second biggest ratings draw? WTF?

Originally Posted by imnotastar

no they are not, please punk and bryan marks stop saying this, they are not, and i repeat, they are not the most over guys in the company, unless triple h, brock lesnar, john cena, and randy orton just retired

The only ones on that list more over than Punk are HHH and maybe Cena - only in terms of general crowd reaction (boos and cheers) though, because Punk gets bigger pops now.

Originally Posted by Vyed

But According to Pwinsider, Brock's agreement is that he would only work with the big names as in Cena,HHH,Orton,Rock,Taker etc...


Big show is big not a big name.

Orton, lol.

[fulcizombie]

Henry has proved to be a ratings draw both on smackdown and ECW . Orton, on the other hand, is ratings poison .

[uknoww]

Originally Posted by mblonde09

Really this stupid "school trip" crap again? You really think Orton of all people turns heads and gets people's attention outside the ring? GTFO, with that crap. Orton is not a star - only Orton's fans would know who he was if he walked into a restaurant. "Miserable and embarassing" describes the vast majority of your posts and your existence on this board, BTW. I must say, though, you do an exceedingly good job of making yourself look like a complete fool, pretty much every time you post.


No, he's not and Henry second biggest ratings draw? WTF?


The only ones on that list more over than Punk are HHH and maybe Cena - only in terms of general crowd reaction (boos and cheers) though, because Punk gets bigger pops now.


Orton, lol.

yes orton is a legend punk is not even in top 1000