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post #281 of 9175 (permalink) Old 01-05-2012, 02:59 PM
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I'm going to pull a you and hit you with some numbers lol.

The Raw before the Rumble where Orton punted Vince drew a 3.87 and the Raw after a 3.6. The next two weeks got 3.59 and 3.42. The Feb 16th show where HHH got involved got a 4.1 and so did the next week. Then things stayed between 3.6 and 3.8 for the rest of the time until Mania. Don't have anything on any of the overruns but I'm pretty sure all the big segments (Orton punting Vince, HHH coming out, Orton handcuffing HHH and kissing Steph) drew big numbers iirc. That Orton/McMahons/HHH program did really good business for them it seems and was a hot feud.
This, and the bold part is the meat of it. It did really well because it was a "hot" angle. It was interesting, it had the McMahons (and those always draw well), it had HHH (who's a draw himself), and then it had Orton, who was the sun to all the planets (people) in the solar system (angle). But that angle didn't draw well because of Orton necessarily, but it was great booking, interesting stuff happening, and all the draws that were around him.

Like I said, I'm not saying Orton isn't a draw, but using that angle isn't the best indicator of him being a draw. There were so many other factors to it outside of Orton himself.

Edit: That 3SOH match was just... ugh. There were so many things wrong with it. Orton came out looking so weak, even though he retained the WWE Title. The match itself was just trash from what I remember, and yeah, the fact they waited until then to let them beat the shit out of eachother when that should've been at Mania was just stupidity at it's finest.

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That seemed to be during their fucked up mentality of letting them beat the shit out of each other at every opportunity except the one that everybody paid for and was expecting to see. **cough** Mania 25 **cough**
God I know, it was just horrible execution of the feud. At least we got to see that LMS on Raw that summer though.



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God I know, it was just horrible execution of the feud. At least we got to see that LMS on Raw that summer though.
Thats was a great match (if it was the one that was on the Raw from Green Bay where Trump "bought" Raw you are talking about)

I was sitting in the first row at that show right in front of where that cameraman (legit) got his face bashed in by a ladder shot from Orton. One of the coolest (felt bad for the camera guy though) things I've ever seen at a live WWE event. Plus they actually did give everyone in the arena refunds for their tickets like Trump promised on the show.

Sorry for the sidetrack there, post just brought back good memories.

Back on topic (sorta) I agree that was a great fued and a hot angle for the WWE but, like Obis said, there was WAY more to than angle being such a "draw" other than Orton was involved in it.


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Orton/HHH should've just made all their matches LMS... that seems to be the only match they can do a great job in.

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^^^^^ Snap .

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God I know, it was just horrible execution of the feud. At least we got to see that LMS on Raw that summer though.
They should always just have LMS matches together as they always have really good ones lol. Any other time they have a match they suck.

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Orton/HHH should've just made all their matches LMS... that seems to be the only match they can do a great job in.
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They should always just have LMS matches together as they always have really good ones lol. Any other time they have a match they suck.


I completely agree with that though. Their chemistry is just off outside of them.



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My favorite part of the 07 LMS is JR's commentary at the end though. Makes me .

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About the Orton/Vince/Shane/HHH feud, the highest rated segments were the Orton/Vince punt segment in Chicago, the Orton(Legacy)/HHH brawl backstage to the parking lot and Orton/Shane match with a punt angle on Shane after the match. HHH/Steph/Orton wasn't good for some reason:
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In the segment-by-segment, they opened strong at 3.53 for the Jericho/Flair angle. It is very rare that the first segment
does better than the show average. It was a strategic mistake because in their wanting the angle early, they sacrificed
audience that came to see Flair that may have tuned out at that point. Case in point, Jeff Hardy vs. Ziggler lost 401,000
viewers, and that almost never happens that early in the show. The eight-man tag with the Money in the Bank guys lost
104,000 viewers. Actually, that doesn’t surprise me because the build to that match has been less than stellar. Stuff with
Cena, Edge, Show and Vickie in the wheelchair gained 193,000 viewers. Edge vs. Show gained 400,000 viewers.
Mysterio vs. Regal gained 208,000 viewers in a segment that usually drops. Marella vs Mickie James lost 297,000
viewers. HHH vs. Orton & DiBiase gained 208,000 viewers. An amazing stat is the conclusion of the beatdown in the hot
angle actually saw people turn off the show. I never would have expected this, and keep in mind the overrun is going to
get a natural benefit from the people tuning in to see the next show, plus the Raw audience that tunes out that knows the
show’s climax is the big point. That’s why the overrun always goes up. But they lost 89,000 viewers during the heat spot
of that angle. Now, that doesn’t mean the angle wasn’t good, because I think it was effective as hell, but when it came to
casual viewers, it did turn more people off than on. When it comes to potential buyers, I’m thinking the opposite would
have been the reaction, but that can’t be proven.
But yeah, it was a hot program, the best feud of 2009 by far.
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I didn't watch back then, but by watching all of the promo's lately, it seemed like a REALLY well built up and damn good feud. Too bad their match at Mania was a bit underwhelming. But those two do have good matches on occasion.

The only thing I can't figure out is why WrestleMania didn't break 1 Million buys despite all that great buildup....


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About the Orton/Vince/Shane/HHH feud, the highest rated segments were the Orton/Vince punt segment in Chicago, the Orton(Legacy)/HHH brawl backstage to the parking lot and Orton/Shane match with a punt angle on Shane after the match. HHH/Steph/Orton wasn't good for some reason:


But yeah, it was a hot program, the best feud of 2009 by far.
Was HHH vs. Orton/DiBiase when the handcuffing etc happened? If so then that's a bit odd. Really don't know why people would have tuned out at that point tbh. It is what it is though.

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