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Old 04-26-2012, 03:18 PM   #2661 (permalink)
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Yeh I get that theory and for w/e reason (i still stand by my cametoe = ratingz) Q8 had a 445K new people tune in, and thats an awesomething for the WWE, but the Q9 slot gets NO credit for keeping those people tuned in at all? And b/c it didn't gain another 500K viewers (which means it would've had 5.6 million total viewers roughly) the segment is a failure?
But 10 pm slot hardly ever loses viewers, people usually tune in. Look at it this way, HHH/Taker drawing over a million viewers in that slot proves their drawing ability. How does a 237,000 gain prove that for Punk/jericho?
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But 10 pm slot hardly ever loses viewers, people usually tune in. Look at it this way, HHH/Taker drawing over a million viewers in that slot proves their drawing ability. How does a 237,000 gain prove that for Punk/jericho?
Not trying to prove that Punk/Jericho are draws just saying b/c it was a "weak gain" doesn't make the segment a failure like some people make it out to be. Also if you see the next line of my post if that segment would have gotten the 500K gain in viewers, that some people need to see to claim a 10PM time slot segment a sucess, it would;ve had 5.6 million total viewers, how many segments of WWE programming have had that viewer # lately?

Also, look at the entire break down of the HHH/Taker 1 million viewer gain and look at the # of viewers at the start of the show and the losses they had in all the other first hour segments (729K total lost viewers in the first hour from the start until the end of Q4) Again not trying to say Taker/HHH aren't draws b/c we know they are. Like I said before though you can interpret these ratings #s to say whatever you want them to say and a good # of people are just focused on the negative of everything right away.
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The ratings over the show have been more stable than we've been used to. For a while it was a mess of "lose 600000 gain 30000 lose 200000 gain 1 million, lose 750000 gain 1.3 million". It's actually probably a better indicator for the WWE that they aren't as wildly chaotic over the two hours time frame. Means the show overall is managing to hold viewers instead of them simply popping in and out.
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I can definitely agree that the last couple weeks ther ehave been unsually big gains in the Q8 segments for w/e reasons and the 10 PM segment has defenitely benefitted from a ratings standpoint for sure. I guess my issue is people always looking at and focusing the negative aspect of the 2nd highest rated quarter hour on the program.

These ratings # are just like any statistic (for the most part) if you look hard enough to can spin them to "mean" whatever you personally want them to mean.
I'm not trying to spin them to mean anything. I'm calling it like it is. I never detracted from the 3.6 and in fact said it was great for them to have that many eyeballs on there. But Punk/Jericho themselves only pulled in 250,000 or whatever it was of that number. That's why it's called a weak gain. You put Brock/Cena in that segment and you know it's going to pull a much bigger number than 250k.

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Peeps really need to stop looking and gains people draw and start looking at actaul numbers people draw. In the second Raw of year Cena (the biggest name in wrestling) V Ziggler drew nearly 500'000 in the overrun, but the number they drew was a 2,9. A horrible number for a overrun. So yeah, People should stop looking at gains because they are very circumstantial considering how many people are consistently watching the show.
Why? The gains are the best indicator of what specific people are able to draw on their own. People are channel surfing, they flick onto Raw, they see Brock Lesnar and they stop to watch. People are channel surfing, they flick onto Raw, they see Jinder Mahal and they keep on flicking. Besides, I don't think anybody said that Cena/Ziggler was a good number. It's all relative to what is being discussed but that doesn't mean that they don't give some indication of interest levels. The overall numbers are important, yes. Punk/Jericho had the second highest viewership, yes. But they didn't do all the work on their own. That's what the gains and losses are able to tell us.

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Yeh I get that theory and for w/e reason (i still stand by my cametoe = ratingz) Q8 had a 445K new people tune in, and thats an awesomething for the WWE, but the Q9 slot gets NO credit for keeping those people tuned in at all? And b/c it didn't gain another 500K viewers (which means it would've had 5.6 million total viewers roughly) the segment is a failure?
Who is calling the segment a failure? I enjoyed the segment. I don't judge segments based on the ratings they pull. But it did have a weak gain, there's no denying facts.
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I'm not trying to spin them to mean anything. I'm calling it like it is. I never detracted from the 3.6 and in fact said it was great for them to have that many eyeballs on there. But Punk/Jericho themselves only pulled in 250,000 or whatever it was of that number. That's why it's called a weak gain. You put Brock/Cena in that segment and you know it's going to pull a much bigger number than 250k.

Who is calling the segment a failure? I enjoyed the segment. I don't judge segments based on the ratings they pull. But it did have a weak gain, there's no denying facts.
My post are more in general that just directed at you. But you can't deny the logic though that calling it a weak gain is kind of like saying Punk/Jericho are vicitims of the first hour segments performing MUCH better than they have in the past. I do also agree that Cena/Lesnar in that slot would've drawn more thats evident by the viewer # for their final segment.

And the failure staement was definitely not directed at you Starbuck b/c I know your smarter than that. I understand the theory behind the 10 PM slot is supposed to gain b/c people that watch shows that end at 10PM should be switching over, I guess my issue is just calling the 2nd highest rated segment of the show "weak" and using the # as a reason to discredit the men involved in that segment the way it is. Which again you (Starbuck) are really not the one doing.

I guess a better way to explain my train of thought would be I tend to focus more on the total viewer # (b/c to me thats the # that really matters) rather than the actual gains and losses in a given segment just b/c IMO there are only so many people that are going to watch Raw in a given week so if they are already watching at 10PM (like they were this week) the top of the hour gain is going to look/be weak. Honestly, for Punk/Jericho to look lik a strong gain at the top of the 10 PM hour they would have had to have 5.5 million viewers (which i will admit the LEsnar stuff may have been able to get that in the 10PM slot)just saying you have to consider that. Again its people looking for negatives in a very postive rating # for the WWE.

Maybe the WWE should start putting their top program in the 10 PM slot and their 2nd program at the end/overrun and see how that works for them.
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Yeh I get that theory and for w/e reason (i still stand by my cametoe = ratingz) Q8 had a 445K new people tune in, and thats an awesomething for the WWE, but the Q9 slot gets NO credit for keeping those people tuned in at all? And b/c it didn't gain another 500K viewers (which means it would've had 5.6 million total viewers roughly) the segment is a failure?
I would agree with you if you were talking about a random segment but not a top of the hour quarter that they rely on to bring a specific number of viewers, there's different standards for every place, it's nothing to do with RAW, or even WWE in general, it's just a logical TV fact. That's why when Brock gained 400k a few weeks ago it was big because he did it on a filler quarter and would have been a below average gain just a few minutes after that in the main event. Same thing here, it's a weak and below average gain for the timeslot, that's a fact.
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My post are more in general that just directed at you. But you can't deny the logic though that calling it a weak gain is kind of like saying Punk/Jericho are vicitims of the first hour segments performing MUCH better than they have in the past. I do also agree that Cena/Lesnar in that slot would've drawn more thats evident by the viewer # for their final segment.

And the failure staement was definitely not directed at you Starbuck b/c I know your smarter than that. I understand the theory behind the 10 PM slot is supposed to gain b/c people that watch shows that end at 10PM should be switching over, I guess my issue is just calling the 2nd highest rated segment of the show "weak" and using the # as a reason to discredit the men involved in that segment the way it is. Which again you (Starbuck) are really not the one doing.

I guess a better way to explain my train of thought would be I tend to focus more on the total viewer # (b/c to me thats the # that really matters) rather than the actual gains and losses in a given segment just b/c IMO there are only so many people that are going to watch Raw in a given week so if they are already watching at 10PM (like they were this week) the top of the hour gain is going to look weak.
I'm not taking anything personally lol. I'm just discussing this with you. If there were already something like 5 1/2 million people watching and they only managed a gain of 100k, yeah, it's a weak gain but like you and others have said, nobody is going to say that the segment failed or whatever because that's reaching the higher end of the maximum viewers they usually do anyways. That isn't the case here though. Take away the Bella segment for instance for whatever inexplicable reason gained that many viewers lol. Instead, lets say that segment stayed the same and then Jericho/Punk gained the 450k instead of them on top of the 250k they did gain. That would be 700k. The viewership would be the same but the fact that Jericho/Punk alone made 700,000 people who were channel surfing stop and watch Raw can be attributed solely to them and therefore that would be a very impressive gain an reflect very well on them. The overall viewership number is important, no doubt. But like I said before, the gains/losses are the best indicator we have of what is working and what isn't, who is drawing and who isn't, what angle is hot and what isn't.

EDIT - Rock316AE is spot on above too. The reason they put most of the big stuff on at 10pm is because it's the best slot they have to draw in potential viewers. That's why it's so important in the first place. Not just Raw does it either. Take a 2 hour special of a regular TV show for instance. They are going to have a huge moment or deal breaker in the storyline happen at the half way mark of the special so that all the people flicking over from what they were watching before will see whatever it is is going on and stop to watch. Unless there was a humungous number of viewers in the segment before, only pulling 200-300k at 10pm, which is the average for Jericho/Punk segments, isn't really that good and is therefore considered weak. It isn't horrible and is slightly below average even. But that doesn't make it good either, especially not compared to the monster numbers that have been drawn in that same spot by real and proven draws in the past.
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I'm not taking anything personally lol. I'm just discussing this with you. If there were already something like 5 1/2 million people watching and they only managed a gain of 100k, yeah, it's a weak gain but like you and others have said, nobody is going to say that the segment failed or whatever because that's reaching the higher end of the maximum viewers they usually do anyways. That isn't the case here though. Take away the Bella segment for instance for whatever inexplicable reason gained that many viewers lol. Instead, lets say that segment stayed the same and then Jericho/Punk gained the 450k instead of them on top of the 250k they did gain. That would be 700k. The viewership would be the same but the fact that Jericho/Punk alone made 700,000 people who were channel surfing stop and watch Raw can be attributed solely to them and therefore that would be a very impressive gain an reflect very well on them. The overall viewership number is important, no doubt. But like I said before, the gains/losses are the best indicator we have of what is working and what isn't, who is drawing and who isn't, what angle is hot and what isn't.

EDIT - Rock316AE is spot on above too. The reason they put most of the big stuff on at 10pm is because it's the best slot they have to draw in potential viewers. That's why it's so important in the first place. Not just Raw does it either. Take a 2 hour special of a regular TV show for instance. They are going to have a huge moment or deal breaker in the storyline happen at the half way mark of the special so that all the people flicking over from what they were watching before will see whatever it is is going on and stop to watch. Unless there was a humungous number of viewers in the segment before, only pulling 200-300k at 10pm, which is the average for Jericho/Punk segments, isn't really that good and is therefore considered weak. It isn't horrible and is slightly below average even. But that doesn't make it good either, especially not compared to the monster numbers that have been drawn in that same spot by real and proven draws in the past.
Definitely understand that the gains/losses are really the ONLY #s we get to see that can serve as an idication of wahts working and what isn't. Also, I do get that any show thats longer than 1 hour does the same thing by putting their most interesing stuff at the top of the 2nd hour. I guess my question would be then if not Punk/Jericho stuff at 10PM then what should've been their a 3rd Cena/Lesnar segment?

I really would've loved to see what the #s would've been had the Lesnar/Cena/Big Johnny thing been in the 10PM slot and the Punk/Jericho thing had been at the end of the show.
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