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Old 04-12-2012, 03:19 PM   #2461 (permalink)
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The proof in the pudding will be PPV buys. That is the most important thing. There is still 4 million people tuining in every week. So you just have to convince them people to buy the PPV. Simple.
Or not so simple lol. They've been failing hard at converting their television audience into their PPV audience for ages now and every year it gets worse. That's the thing that makes me chuckle about those who say the number of viewers in the AE is the same as today. That may be the case. But back then, the television viewers translated to all aspects of the business. They directly impacted upon live gates for house shows and buys for PPV's. That doesn't happen anymore. They may have retained their viewing audience, which they haven't if you break it all down, but even if they did, they haven't been able to convert that to the other 2 pillars of their business which is a pretty major problem if you ask me. People will watch on TV but won't be bothered to go see WWE if they come to their town or won't pay to watch (what should be but more often than not isn't in todays climate lol) the conclusion of the weekly TV shows on PPV.
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Old 04-12-2012, 03:24 PM   #2462 (permalink)
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Or not so simple lol. They've been failing hard at converting their television audience into their PPV audience for ages now and every year it gets worse. That's the thing that makes me chuckle about those who say the number of viewers in the AE is the same as today. That may be the case. But back then, the television viewers translated to all aspects of the business. They directly impacted upon live gates for house shows and buys for PPV's. That doesn't happen anymore. They may have retained their viewing audience, which they haven't if you break it all down, but even if they did, they haven't been able to convert that to the other 2 pillars of their business which is a pretty major problem if you ask me. People will watch on TV but won't be bothered to go see WWE if they come to their town or won't pay to watch (what should be but more often than not isn't in todays climate lol) the conclusion of the weekly TV shows on PPV.
House show attendence is somewhat decent (made a massive 3 million in Abu Dhabi), and well the buyrate figures, illegal streams says "sup"
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House show attendence is somewhat decent (made a massive 3 million in Abu Dhabi), and well the buyrate figures, illegal streams says "sup"
I'd hardly call one house show in a place they've never been to before an indication of house show business being decent. No doubt streams and the current economy not to mention the frequency of PPV's these days has led to a decline but the main factor is simply down to people not wanting to buy them because they aren't worth it anymore.
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I'd hardly call one house show in a place they've never been to before an indication of house show business being decent. No doubt streams and the current economy not to mention the frequency of PPV's these days has led to a decline but the main factor is simply down to people not wanting to buy them because they aren't worth it anymore.
I know. Just you have to keep in mind that the digital evolution over the past five years have hit hard not only the WWE, but the whole entertainment industry as a whole (last year the Film industry made the least amount of money since the late eighties). Just wanted to point out that WWE is still very healthy.
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Its the same 3 and change with a 3.4 overrun that RAW has been doing for years.

Brock Lesnar hasn't brought viewers and I don't think he brings PPV buys.
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I find it confusing as hell that the closing segment last week featuring Brock/Cena could have such a huge number and then one week later have such a low number. I don't think it's because people aren't interested. If they weren't interested it wouldn't have done so well in the first place.
But before the segment they were not promoting Brock/Cena. They were promoting Cena/Rock with Cena 'confronting' The Rock. The big overrun was for the WrestleMania fallout.

Although it may seem it, just because 99 percent of this forum liked Brock's return, it doesn't mean 99 percent of the WWE's audience liked Brock's return. If WWE's audience profile has changed drastically over the past ten years - ie not many people in their current audience nowadays know the name Brock Lesnar, that may have had an effect as well.

The current audience, clearly were not 'drawn' massively by Brock's return, hence the poor Q1 number.
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those were actually punks faults
Cena can't take a cross body how is it Punks fault, And Cena should push his back or his shoulders before Punk land in his ass.
By the way I prefer the summerslam match.
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I'd hardly call one house show in a place they've never been to before an indication of house show business being decent. No doubt streams and the current economy not to mention the frequency of PPV's these days has led to a decline but the main factor is simply down to people not wanting to buy them because they aren't worth it anymore.
House show business was actually much,much worse in 2004.

Today WWE has an average attendance of about 5,000-6,000 people. Think the last quarter report said 6,000.

Back in 2004 the average number was actually 3,900 even though ticket prices were cheaper.

Look at these two newsbits from 2004 :

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These are very low attendances, but even lower considering they are in Canada, long considered a major stronghold for WWE.

Another poor sign of ticket sales was that the PPV in Portland was not sold out last night. Due to the restrictions of the Oregon Athletic Commission, WWE didn’t run in Oregon for many years, and the fact that even in Portalnd a PPV didn’t sell out was cause for concern.

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The low attendance is also hurting wrestlers who are getting extremely low payoffs since most are paid based on gates. The Smackdown crew is especially down since they have been doing much worse than RAW. To make things worse, the feeling among Smackdown workers is that things will not improve.
Source: Torch Newsletter 2004
Those were numbers even TNA can pull these days.
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Starbuck owns this thread. LMFAO. Grade-A trolling.

(You'll be hearing from me in the next 24 hours or so, S-buck, lol.)

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Agreed with the point by JasonLives, I believe it was, about the Lord Tensai match being saddled with that fairly sizable loss (which wasn't really that huge considering how we were seeing nearly million-viewer drops only a few months back, at least things are much more stable overall now with even the midcard pulling its weight on a consistent basis, although some of that is because the top programs aren't drawing as well as they should be in the first place and right now that is namely Cena/Lesnar) isn't entirely fair, as it was ensconced between commercial breaks and fluffy backstage skits and video packages in a weak quarter hour anyway. Way too early to say that Lord Tensai is a bust or anything.

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That Q1 number for this week's Raw is legitimately devastating. And what makes it suck even worse is that it was by far the best quarter hour of the entire show. The whole feel and vibe of that segment was unlike anything we've seen in WWE in a long, long time. It felt unpredictable and fresh. Cena and Lesnar both looked like intense badasses coming out of it. I can't believe WWE's booked this match for Extreme Rules but that's another matter, I guess. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if they don't actually go through with an actual match, but then again it's not like them in this era to reflexively cut to a bait-and-switch.

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JasonLives making some good points backed up by facts regarding house show business in 2004. This segues nicely into Lesnar, because WWE in general was in much more dire straits back in 2004 than it's been ever since. The Cena/Batista "mini-boom" as we may like to call it spearheaded WWE into a much brighter era, overall, and its business model has changed to a significant degree in the subsequent years. If the picture of WWE's landscape seemed bleak roughly a year or so ago with HBK retiring, Batista retiring, Jericho taking another leave of absence and Edge being forced to retire, in terms of undeniably needing new stars, 2002-2004 was much, much worse. It really caught up with them in 2004, in spite of the Eddie Guerrero push which was arguably instrumental in at least keeping Smackdown viable throughout that otherwise dismal year for that brand in particular and WWE overall, and by the end of the year, in the wake of Orton's failed babyface push, the necessity of Batista and Cena becoming huge stars was irrefutable.

Average house show in 2011 averaged about 6,000 or so, I've read. Obviously WWE reaching into new, relatively untapped markets recently gives their live gate numbers a major boost but the house show business for WWE is quite healthy these days. March is usually one of the strongest months for the entire year in house show business for WWE, and it's almost entirely because of The Road to Wrestlemania, naturally and most reports indicated that the crowds this year were almost always very large at just about every house show WWE ran in the month of March. Most workers in WWE should be pleased with their payoffs right now. The international tour in April will intrinsically buttress that month's house show business as well.
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