[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by Wrestlinfan35

Except this week it was only about 100k down from the opening segment with The Rock. So that's not a bad number. They're not going to magically find 200k other people who didn't already tune into the show before hand, to see Henry/Punk. This week's 10 spot did good. You can't say it's a shitty gain when realistically, the most it could've gained would be 200k.

If Tensai's match lost viewers instead of staying even, and Henry/Punk gained the viewers that match lost, it would be considered a good number. Even though the same amount of people watched the Henry/Punk match. Makes no sense to me, tbh. Instead of calling the 10 spot a bad gain, we should be congratulating Tensai for keep viewers interested and sticking around.

It's a shitty gain. It doesn't matter how it holds up against the other segments on the show. 10pm is a time when people are flipping over from other shows and should be stopping, seeing whoever is on Raw at that time and staying put to watch them. That's why they tend to put a lot of big segments with the big stars on in that particular slot because other than the start and the end, it's one of the easiest places they can gain a huge number of viewers. If they're only able to get less than 200,000 people then it's a shitty gain, simple as that.

[A-C-P]

Originally Posted by Wrestlinfan35

Except this week it was only about 100k down from the opening segment with The Rock. So that's not a bad number. They're not going to magically find 200k other people who didn't already tune into the show before hand, to see Henry/Punk. This week's 10 spot did good. I don't think it's a shitty gain when realistically, the most it could've gained would be 200k.

If Tensai's match lost viewers instead of staying even, and Henry/Punk gained the viewers that match lost, it would be considered a good number. Even though the same amount of people watched the Henry/Punk match. Makes no sense to me, tbh. Instead of calling the 10 spot a bad gain, we should be congratulating Tensai for keeping viewers interested and sticking around.

I wanted to add this as well with my post, just didn't have the time to write it out like this, so thanks .

The overall veiwership # is ALOT more important than the gain at the 10PM slot. so b/c the segment with Tensai managed to keep viewers tuned in, the resulting smaller gain for the 10PM slot is looked at as bad? Seems like bad logic to me. To me this means fewer people switchedd off Raw btw 9 and 10 so in turn fewwer of them had to tun back in at 10PM. By this logic if 5 million people were watching at the beginning of Raw and Raw lost no viewers throught stayed at 5 million the whole show for every segment (I know its not going to happen jsut an example) The focus would be the shitty no gain at the 10PM slot and not the fact that they were able to keep 5 million viewers tuned in for the whole show?

But honestly my biggest problem is not if its a shitty gain or not my issue is they've reported it that way the last 10-12 weeks as a shitty gain so does it really still need to be said? was my main issue.

[Gamblor]

Any way you spin it, whether it's a good gain or not, the normal gain for the 10pm timeslot the last several months is in the 100k-300k range when Taker/HBK/HHH aren't involved. It doesn't make the gain good, but it's not Punk or Henry's fault, it's just the way viewership patterns have changed. At the same time, the overall viewership number/rating for that slot seems to be one of the best of the night, so I'd consider the overall number good for Punk/Henry, even if the gain wasn't... if that makes any sense.

Rock starting out with a 3.6 after Mania isn't great, but much like what I said above the overall number is still one of the strongest numbers of the show, so it's all good. As mentioned by (I believe) Starbuck, it's nice to see the drops not anything too dramatic and that people were sticking around. Cena's promo/Lesnar's return gaining a million viewers is excellent. Lets see what happens next week with the numbers.

[D.M.N.]

For anyone wondering, having done a quick bit of calculations, Brock Lesnar's return and the final segment with John Cena had ~5.7 million viewers.

[A-C-P]

Originally Posted by D.M.N.

For anyone wondering, having done a quick bit of calculations, Brock Lesnar's return and the final segment with John Cena had ~5.7 million viewers.

Like Starbuck and others have said Cena possibly losing his shit = RATINGS. And when (if) he finally snaps and goes full heel it could be the thing that thrwos the WWe on its head and gives it the "spark" it needs.

[Hemen]

Originally Posted by A-C-P

Like Starbuck and others have said Cena possibly losing his shit = RATINGS. And when (if) he finally snaps and goes full heel it could be the thing that thrwos the WWe on its head and gives it the "spark" it needs.

Cena won't turn heel. Vince gets alot of money from the merchandise sales he gets from the kids and the women.

Do you really think Vince will risk losing money which he can if the heel turn won't be sucessfull?

In 2010 it was hundred and million something WWE earned by John Cena.

And WWE has the spark it needs by Brock Lesnar, do you know how many viewers it got on youtube the john cena and Brock thing? It got many.

Brock was in the mainevent in the highest grossing ufc ppv.

If WWE used Brock in the right way, WWE will get more popular without a Cena heel turn.

[Rock316AE]

Last year the HHH promo in the opening segment did 3.7 in a show that did 3.8 overall so to open with a 3.6 in a show that did 3.4 is big, I'm sure they opened a lot less for the first quarter with the Ace and then gained huge during the Rock promo. Rock's promo was more than the 15 minutes quarter so he was probably responsible for the strong second quarter and the fact that they didn't lose 800k or something like that.

Henry/Punk was a terrible gain for the top of the hour but expected, Henry is a big TV draw but he needs to work with a star to do it, I hope to see him more on RAW, I don't know if there's a draft or not.

Lesnar WASN'T a factor in that 3.9, nobody knew he was going to be there, they did big gain for the "Cena calling out The Rock" concept as a way to end the feud, same thing happened the night after SVS when they did the same thing with Cena's segment and teaser with Rock. Next week should be the test for Brock, to see if he's the big, rare game-changer like Rock was in 2011 to every aspect of business, from house show business to ratings.

[Lvlgod]

Originally Posted by Rock316AE

Last year the HHH promo in the opening segment did 3.7 in a show that did 3.8 overall so to open with a 3.6 in a show that did 3.4 is big,

Which RAW show are you talking about here?

I'm sure they opened a lot less for the first quarter with the Ace and then gained huge during the Rock promo. Rock's promo was more than the 15 minutes quarter so he was probably responsible for the strong second quarter and the fact that they didn't lose 800k or something like that.

Ace opening the show was 2:20 minutes. I dont think that affected the opening seg with the rock.

Henry/Punk was a terrible gain for the top of the hour but expected, Henry is a big TV draw but he needs to work with a star to do it, I hope to see him more on RAW, I don't know if there's a draft or not.

Agreed on Henry, The guy is legit.

Lesnar WASN'T a factor in that 3.9, nobody knew he was going to be there, they did big gain for the "Cena calling out The Rock" concept as a way to end the feud,

Not sure if this right. Lesnar is a big name. Cena calling out the rock would have gained a good amount of viewers but Lesnar's return must have spiked the overrun numbers to a million.

Next week should be the test for Brock, to see if he's the big, rare game-changer like Rock was in 2011 to every aspect of business, from house show business to ratings.

If its a test, then its an unfair one because The rock returned feb 2011, MANIA season. And every other week, they were bringing back the big names like taker,hhh,austin,jbl etc... not to mention John cena going back to his old gimmick for the first time in years.

The Rock vs Cena, a 10yr dream match, was the True game changer for 2011. Pretty sure Lesnar alone, post mania, wont be able to top that.

[Rock316AE]

I'm talking about the RAW after WM27.

[Kabraxal]

Considering the show was actually relatively stable... the 10 slot gain isn't horrible. Seriously, for a while RAW was all over the place with 700000 dips then 500000 gains all over the place. This stayed flat for the most part... those that tuned in didn't really leave. That is the power of a good show though. And if they can continue having shows like this, they'll start seeing not only stable numbers throughout the show, but growth from week to week as people start believing that the WWE might actually be consistent again.