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Old 03-15-2012, 03:13 AM   #1971 (permalink)
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The writing for Cena vs Rock is awful.

Cena is hurting the feud because he is bringing absolutely nothing new to the table, you think he would have learnt this after 6 years plus at the top, he doesn't make you feel like this feud is really a big deal, he still has the same moral video packages, that same cheesy grin and the same go to moves, it's all very safe, the rare rapper outing is stripped down to the same level as well now, while nice to see, added nothing to this feud. Would it have hurt Cena to have embraced the hate a little more, be if only for a few weeks a little more heel like in character, was heading the right way with the Ryder/Eve antics but since then it's back to Superhero Cena, I respect the guy but he appears to still know nothing about how to build a big time feud let alone at the biggest event of the year, we know this is a special match but the guy needs to sell that to us better especially the kids.

Rock being a fan pandering good guy is also not really working, the cheap pops foley style is fine but it would have been better had he been allowed to look more confident, a bit more of that hollywood rock swagger without the heel tactics, the writing isn't allowing a proper feud to develop it's so week by week with the gimick's it's impossible to get invested in the storyline, while Rock can be cheesy, repetitive with the catchphrases, I feel like he does thrive in the storytelling side of things when a storyline is actually allowed to mature and develop as the weeks go by, that was the case when he faced the likes of DX, McMahon, Austin, HHH, Angle and the rest in the past.

WWE should know by now that having ultimate faces is all good but the heel are more entertaining, Cena playing more of a heel in this feud would have generated more interest if well written, Rock as the face of the people and Cena being more obviously heel and even showing this embracing the hate side would have done a lot of favours for Cena in the long run, this face vs face feud is boring, the writers are to blame, Rock isn't being used properly or playing to his actual strengths and Cena has had such bad writing done for him year after year, he is off the pace when he is up against a true pro from a different era of wrestling, he does seem out of his depth up against the Rock.
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:14 AM   #1972 (permalink)
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As noted before, Monday's WWE RAW Supershow from Cleveland did a 3.29 cable rating with 4.84 million viewers. RAW was the #1 show on cable for the night and unlike recent trends, it did better in the second hour - largely due to the segment with Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker.

Sheamus vs. Dolph Ziggler lost 6,000 viewers coming out of the opener with John Cena rapping. That's a good loss as usually the second RAW segment loses several hundred thousand viewers. David Otunga & Mark Henry vs. Santino Marella gained 225,000 viewers - also a good number and a good sign for the Teddy Long vs. John Laurinaitis storyline.

Brodus Clay vs. Jinder Mahal lost 276,000 viewers while the segment with Michaels and Undertaker gained 869,000 viewers to a 3.73 quarter rating. This is the best quarter on RAW in several weeks. CM Punk vs. The Miz then lost 888,000 viewers - which is the biggest segment drop in a while.

Jack Swagger vs. Randy Orton gained 58,000 viewers. The final segment with The Rock singing gained 509,000 viewers, which is actually below average for an overrun. It did a 3.51 quarter rating. The final segment with The Rock went from a 3.1 to a 3.8 rating with Males 18-49, from a 2.3 to a 2.7 in Teen Males, from 1.3 to 1.4 in Women 18-49 and stayed at a 1.1 rating for Teen Females.
So it's pretty clear now that Taker/HHH is what casuals are most interested in. They managed to blow the Cena-Rock feud with the terrible direction they took it in the first few weeks and I'm not surprised people aren't interested in it anymore. Punk-Jericho was never gonna be a big ratings draw anyway so not much of interest there but that loss is huge for a match featuring the WWE champion
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Seriously. All I can do is at that breakdown. Jesus Christ. Rock/Cena, year on year, must have lost about what, a million viewers? This time last year all their stuff was getting at least 3.5/well over 5 million viewers, even pushing into 6 iirc. And now look at them! I agree with DesoRow here. Involving Rock in Survivor Series was the jump the shark moment in terms of Rock's uber star power. The simple fact is, this thing is underperforming and pretty substantially at that. I just don't get how this has fucking happened. You take a legitimate biggest match of all time and people aren't tuning in to see it. It's mind boggling and if you ever needed proof that WWE can fuck up absolutely anything, here it is. I guess it all comes down to the fact that most folks, including myself, want some meat on the bones to this damn thing. Having 2 guys make fun of each other once is great, twice is still great, but a year later? Come on. And not only that, while the legit tension between may be a good thing as it brings an element of reality, the both of them trying to humiliate the other every week is turning people off. Since it was more light hearted this week I thought it would have done a lot better but no. The numbers this is getting would be great for anybody else but not Rock/Cena. It's just fucking unbelievable when you think about it.

Another thing that's unbelievable is the fact that the match that NOBODY wanted to see is absolutely killing it and everything else on the show, including Rock/Cena. HHH/Taker/HBK actually beat out Rock/Cena in terms of viewership this week. It fucking beat it. Think about that lol, it's crazy. Since it started, I think every HIAC segment has been well over 5 million viewers and has been a 3.6 at the very least. That is the mark of a program people want to see and it doesn't take 2 guesses to figure out why. The story behind this match is unreal and I honestly feel stupid for ever doubting them at this stage. Doesn't matter if it's Taker/HHH, HHH/HBK or HBK/Taker, any combination of the 3 of them produces the goods each week. They're leaving everything else in the dust tbh. Doesn't matter where on the show they are placed, at the start, 10pm or at the end. People are tuning in to see what happens in their droves. I can only wonder what they're going to do next week with the 3 of them in there lol.

Unfortunately, people are tuning in to see HHH/Taker/HBK in their droves and then leaving in their droves as soon as their bit is up. Punk/Miz losing practically all the people who tuned in before is sad. I know we've seen the match before and it's never done well but Jesus, you'd think at least a few people would stick around to watch the fucking WWE Champion in a match. That means that most people missed Jericho's promo too which sucks. I think they strategically placed Punk/Jericho after HBK/Taker so that anybody thinking of leaving when the latter was over would stay. It obviously didn't work. But hey, we all knew that this thing wasn't exactly going to set the world on fire so is it really a big surprise?

The only other thing to mention I guess is that several quarters which usually experience a drop didn't. The GM stuff actually gained and Q2's loss was minimal. Orton/Swagger gained too which is always good to see. So yeah, Rock/Cena underperforms again, HHH/HBK/Taker takes a crap on everything else and Punk/Jericho, while most weren't expecting it to do all that well, I think you have to chalk that up to being a bit of a disappointment tbh. At this rate, I don't think Rock/Cena can be saved tbh and I'm just taking it for what it is now. I'm really looking forward to the 3 way confrontation between the HIAC guys next week though.
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so what happens to wwe if the ratings continue to drop?
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Should Taker vs HHH be the main event of Wrestlemania ? lol
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I think it needs to be said though, HHH/Taker are killing it in terms of ratings but on the ground, Rock is selling out the live events and most of the credit for that has to go to him. Without him I don't think they would have been so packed in Cleveland. People are paying money to go see him when he's there in their town. The rest of the viewing audience however, aren't as caught up in this feud as they should be.
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I think it needs to be said though, HHH/Taker are killing it in terms of ratings but on the ground, Rock is selling out the live events and most of the credit for that has to go to him. Without him I don't think they would have been so packed in Cleveland. People are paying money to go see him when he's there in their town. The rest of the viewing audience however, aren't as caught up in this feud as they should be.
I think that makes sense when you consider what he's been doing so far, I'm sure if you were in Portland or Cleveland it was an amazing show because Rock's whole thing is about working the live audience and getting them involved. Sometimes though that just doesn't translate well to the TV audience, the last part of his Rock Concert is a perfect example of that. It was kinda painful to watch on TV but I'm sure the crowd enjoyed it
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HHH/Taker >>>>> Rock/Cena >>>>> Punk/Y2J

Nobody wanted to see HHH face Taker 3rd time in a row but guess what HHH along with Taker & HBK are crapping over all other programmes including Rock/Cena every fcuking week in any time slot you put them in. Gotta give props for HHH/Taker/HBK.
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By the way, the final segment before Mania last year with Rock, Cena and Miz (but more importantly the first face to face confrontation between Rock and Cena) drew a 4.77 rating with a gain of 1.5 million viewers for their segment and overall had more than 7 million viewers

Just to show you how much they've dropped the ball with this feud
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