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post #1881 of 9131 (permalink) Old 03-08-2012, 10:34 AM
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now thats the ratings thread i know

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Well, isn't that an interesting breakdown...not. The fact that The Rock vs. John Cena is underperforming like this is just mind boggling. WWE, as with everything, have fucked this thing up by letting the 2 of them go out there and try to embarrass each other in front of the world instead of having them work together to build a story and give this match the epic storyline it deserves. I'm simply stunned at just how badly this whole thing has turned out. I bet you don't have that retarded smile on your face now, John, because you're helping turn one of the legitimate biggest matches in wrestling history into this stinking pile of crap. I never thought I'd be feeling so indifferent to this match but after the past 2 weeks, first with Rock and his twitter shit and now Cena with his stupid ass smiling, I don't even know what the hell they're even fighting for anymore. .

Instead of having a legitimate storyline to build up excitement and to get the viewers interested in RAW every week, they have allowed this to become a semi-shoot feud where the wrestlers are merely trying to win over the crowd every week.

As for the ratings, I'm really not surprised that people are not caring about this feud. People already know what to expect every week. Theres no feud development, no indication that we'll see any physicality between two, its just gonna be more silly promos every week.

Typical WWE though. They actually have The Rock back for several weeks and instead of using that time to make this a proper wrestling feud with both men playing their natural characters. They turn it into this worked shoot BS that nobody wants to see.

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Problem is this fued has no purpose. It's being built as the loyal, WWE top guy vs the Hollywood movie star (who's a face). That doesn't work.

Likewise they're turning it into a shoot. By trying to make it seem realistic it's making it boring. There's no storyline there other than "I hate you".
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Austin is no longer a draw. He stopped being a draw in 2002. Rock has always been the bigger star and far far bigger draw.

Vince says Austin made the most money than any other wrestler @2:44

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I think the year-on-year comparison to the exact show last year is more interesting, and actually quite alarming:

Q1 - 5.85 million vs 4.90 million
Q2 - 5.92 million vs 4.46 million
Q3 - 6.14 million vs 4.80 million
Q4 - 5.53 million vs 4.41 million
Q5 - 6.49 million vs 4.62 million
Q6 - 5.39 million vs 4.50 million
Q7 - 5.27 million vs 4.31 million
Q8 - 5.23 million vs 5.07 million
Overrun - 6.19 million vs n/a

Let me put it another way. Viewership wise, The Rock versus Cena segment beat nothing from the equivalent show last year. Last year, for those wondering, highest to lowest:

6.49 million - JBL and Michael Cole segment with Stone Cold's return
6.19 million - John Cena and The Miz closing segment
6.14 million - Christian vs Brodus Clay; Sunny's Hall of Fame announcement
5.92 million - Randy Orton vs David Otunga
5.85 million - The Undertaker promo
5.53 million - Eve Torres vs Nikki Bella
5.39 million - Daniel Bryan vs Sheamus
5.27 million - CM Punk vs R-Truth; Vickie Guerrero segment
5.23 million - Dolph Ziggler vs John Morrison

And then, from this year...

5.07 million - The Rock and John Cena closing segment

Is that not embarrassing?
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post #1886 of 9131 (permalink) Old 03-08-2012, 02:31 PM
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What booking would that be, it can't be Roode/Storm or Roode/Sting because they've both been booked great, there's no booking problems with Angle/Hardy, Styles/Kaz/Daniels, Crimson/Morgan and Aries Championship reign has been booked good, not to mention that the Garrett Bischoff storyline has been booked very good.

I don't have a problem with people saying something like TNA has bad booking but if someone says that then they should be able to explain why. For instance I think the Rock/Cena feud was booked great up until the Raw after Wrestlemania where Cena confronts Rock after being screwed out of the World Title and his first response to seeing Rock is to smile, that right there killed the feud and it didn't help that they then had Cena win the World Title a few weeks later meaning that Rock's actions didn't really have an effect on Cena.

Anyway Cena losing viewers for his promo just confirms what I already suspected, the Cena/Kane feud combined with Cena's actions during his feud with Rock have damaged his drawing power. I know the whole idea is that he's targeted at kids but even kids know that people get angry when they're pushed too far, I mean imagine if Hogan had responded to Andre's heel turn by smiling at him and acting like Andre's betrayal was an everyday thing that didn't affect him.
I'll admit, I've liked parts of the Roode/Storm stuff even since it started. Even with a horribly booked main event at BFG, Roode and Storm were really good after that show. Maybe it's because I've seen better stuff from them but Angle/Hardy and anything with Sting now don't interest me much. The story behind Angle/Hardy is okay but I just can't care for it. I love Aries and I'm actually pleased what they're doing with him. The Styles/Kaz/Daniels stuff puts out good matches but at this point I feel like I've seen all those guys can do. And I see nothing in Crimson or Morgan. Garrett Bischoff stuff has sucked, imo. Maybe I'm just not a fan of their roster but comparing that booking to their booking in '06 and I'm disappointed.

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I don't get all the "Cena is owning the Rock" comments.
It looks like expectations were so low on Cena that if he has any success at all on the mic, or if he gets a single chant or cheer, that translates into a victory for him.

One smart thing he is doing is the way he builds up the Rock in his promos, saying how great he is on the mic and all, which just builds expectations for the Rock even higher to a point where they can't be met. Which again works in his favor.
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Originally Posted by D.M.N. View Post

Is that not embarrassing?
No, last year there were less competition.
No Pawn Stars (5.861/6.450 million viewers) American Pickers (5.801) and The Voice (16.850) only The Bachelor (10.023) and a repeat of Two and a Half Men (10.179) had good numbers and in cable Pretty Little Liars with 2.953 million viewers was #3 on Monday.
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post #1889 of 9131 (permalink) Old 03-08-2012, 03:13 PM
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Never really got into the ratings thing. So confusing and nothing to do with show quality.
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The thing that made Wresltemania special was that they always had at least one mega RAW where all the feuds intertwinted, for people to stay intrested WWE needs to get everyone in the big feuds in the ring together not just to talk aload of crap but fucking wrestle which is what I watch wrestling for not the same 25 min promo each week looking at you Cena,Rock,Triple H and Taker.

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