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Old 03-07-2012, 08:13 AM   #1801 (permalink)
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And the good thing about that was you could have predicted it as far back as the previous August, once Orton left Evolution, you knew Batista was next as did the crowd, you then plant the seeds and bam, they got the big pay-off with big rating numbers. That was probably, what, road-mapped starting in late 2003. Okay, I doubt someone said back then "it's Batista/HHH main event in 2005" but you get my drift.

On the SmackDown side of things you had Cena vs JBL. JBL had been your champion for nearly a year, he had the presence on the brand. And obviously at the event Cena had his push culminate. That, again, were road-mapped back to early 2004 with Cena's US title win at the previous 'Mania.

Now fast-forward 7 years. We have Punk/Jericho and Sheamus/Bryan. Do those have the build of the above two? No. Punk should have been the face of RAW since Money in the Bank holding the WWE title (obviously not on the show due to the 'firing' storyline) but he should have been holding the title, got through everyone - and then there's Jericho. Jericho wins the 'Rumble make intentions clear - and as you've built up Punk you have a great feud in the making. Yes, Punk is big now bit he is not as big as he should be.

Sheamus/Bryan. WrestleMania main event? Really? This should be Henry/Bryan, it really really should. They did not need to make Henry drop the title when they did as his injury didn't keep him out for too long, that can easily be worked around with two promos. You have Bryan have a great 'Mania moment winning the title with Big Show's help and then you start the slow progression heel turn (as what happened in real life if they wanted to) as he would have been over as they wanted to see someone take down the big giant in Henry (David v Golliath) and it happened. Someone firmly over now. Sheamus should not be in the main event? Where was he 12 months ago? Ah, that's right going through a table. If anything it should be Cody more than Sheamus (who should have passed the IC title down to someone else to get a push in the same way Cena did all those years ago).

They can build stars, but then when they've been built, it's like "now what?"...
Disagree with that part. "Face" of show is not the top face at the time, its the superstar that draws the most viewers to the show. John Cena's immense popularity and his starpower, thanks to his intense 5 years of push, is something Punk simply can not match. Even if Cena turns heel at mania, he will remain the "face" of WWE. Besides you cant make someone the face of the show in just six months, surely not without a HUGE heel to put him over.

Agreed with Henry/Bryan, i would have loved to see Mark henry walk into mania as the world champion but i understand why they didnt go that route. Henry is pushing 40 but Sheamus is obviously the young talent being groomed, so its the right thing to do i guess.

And Big LOL@ pushing Cody Rhodes instead of sheamus. He looks like a high school kid.



Can anyone actually imagine this guy being the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION?
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:23 AM   #1802 (permalink)
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Disagree with that part. "Face" of show is not the top face at the time, its the superstar that draws the most viewers to the show. John Cena's immense popularity and his starpower, thanks to his intense 5 years of push, is something Punk simply can not match. Even if Cena turns heel at mania, he will remain the "face" of WWE. Besides you cant make someone the face of the show in just six months, surely not without a HUGE heel to put him over.

Agreed with Henry/Bryan, i would have loved to see Mark henry walk into mania as the world champion but i understand why they didnt go that route. Henry is pushing 40 but Sheamus is obviously the young talent being groomed, so its the right thing to do i guess.

And Big LOL@ pushing Cody Rhodes instead of sheamus. He looks like a high school kid.



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Old 03-07-2012, 08:52 AM   #1803 (permalink)
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Ideas on improving the ratings? What a novel concept, any suggestions I would have have been covered (and covered very well) by DesRow, Starbuck and Brye. The only other thing I will add is hopefully this WM season is a wake-up call to the WWE that they need to move on from Cena as their top guy (at least only top guy that matters) and stop focusing so much on short-term ratings and focus more on long-term sucess.

Like DesRow, Starbuch, and Brye have all said its not one thing that is the BIG problem here its EVERYTHING. Creative, booking, promoting, commentray (a very underrated problem IMO as well), etc. They need a complete overhaul and "new direction" so to speak. I am hoping this RTWM has shown them this. They need a n new direaction (and I am not saying this alone will fix everything) but a great start to this drection is a MEGA HEEL TURN by John Cena.
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:50 AM   #1804 (permalink)
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Rating won't ever improve unless they change the product.

Does anyone honestly think The Rock could single handedly drag up rating that had been stagnent for 5 years?

The reason the attitude era got such epic ratings wasnt because of Austin, it wasnt because of Rock, it was because of how good everyone was and how they worked well together.
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As for the question. Its quite clear the wrestlers draw.

If next week Rock and Austin turned up in TNA and they were main eventing, would you watch those two, or would you watch Cena vs Orton?
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Disagree with that part. "Face" of show is not the top face at the time, its the superstar that draws the most viewers to the show. John Cena's immense popularity and his starpower, thanks to his intense 5 years of push, is something Punk simply can not match. Even if Cena turns heel at mania, he will remain the "face" of WWE. Besides you cant make someone the face of the show in just six months, surely not without a HUGE heel to put him over.

Agreed with Henry/Bryan, i would have loved to see Mark henry walk into mania as the world champion but i understand why they didnt go that route. Henry is pushing 40 but Sheamus is obviously the young talent being groomed, so its the right thing to do i guess.

And Big LOL@ pushing Cody Rhodes instead of sheamus. He looks like a high school kid.



Can anyone actually imagine this guy being the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION?
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No, but at least he has been pushed more consistently than what Sheamus has. Sheamus winning the title at WrestleMania? Doesn't really mean much, he's held it before.

As for your first bit, I was on about Cena/Batista in 2005 compared to Punk/Bryan now...
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As for the question. Its quite clear the wrestlers draw.

If next week Rock and Austin turned up in TNA and they were main eventing, would you watch those two, or would you watch Cena vs Orton?
Well duh, but if Rock and Austin was put in the ME scene now. It wont be that long until they draw just as much as Orton, Cena etc.
Guys like Rock, Austin and Hogan are nostalgia. Just see how fast Hoganīs debut in TNA dropped, think he was up to 3 million viewers when he came out for the first time. Few weeks later the guy could barely get half of that.

Same with The Rock and Austin. They draw above the normal average now. But for them to become the MAJOR draws people are talking about, they need to be put in a good storyline.


What Raw is really lacking right now is "Must tune in TV". Wouldnt suprise me at all if this weeks Q1 isnt that impressive. Viewers werent there to begin with. Thats what they need to solve. They need to end the show on a high note. Imo end it on something other then just talking.
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As for the question. Its quite clear the wrestlers draw.

If next week Rock and Austin turned up in TNA and they were main eventing, would you watch those two, or would you watch Cena vs Orton?
I would watch Raw still. TNA's booking is dreadful and if Rock/Austin was a main event in 2012, I can't imagine it being good.
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As for the question. Its quite clear the wrestlers draw.

If next week Rock and Austin turned up in TNA and they were main eventing, would you watch those two, or would you watch Cena vs Orton?

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Well duh, but if Rock and Austin was put in the ME scene now. It wont be that long until they draw just as much as Orton, Cena etc.
Guys like Rock, Austin and Hogan are nostalgia. Just see how fast Hoganīs debut in TNA dropped, think he was up to 3 million viewers when he came out for the first time. Few weeks later the guy could barely get half of that.

Same with The Rock and Austin. They draw above the normal average now. But for them to become the MAJOR draws people are talking about, they need to be put in a good storyline.


What Raw is really lacking right now is "Must tune in TV". Wouldnt suprise me at all if this weeks Q1 isnt that impressive. Viewers werent there to begin with. Thats what they need to solve. They need to end the show on a high note. Imo end it on something other then just talking.

Austin is no longer a draw. He stopped being a draw in 2002. Rock has always been the bigger star and far far bigger draw.
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Well duh, but if Rock and Austin was put in the ME scene now. It wont be that long until they draw just as much as Orton, Cena etc.
Guys like Rock, Austin and Hogan are nostalgia. Just see how fast Hoganīs debut in TNA dropped, think he was up to 3 million viewers when he came out for the first time. Few weeks later the guy could barely get half of that.

Same with The Rock and Austin. They draw above the normal average now. But for them to become the MAJOR draws people are talking about, they need to be put in a good storyline.
I thought with the survivor series buyrate and recent ratings, this should've been obvious by now.
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