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Old 03-06-2012, 05:24 PM   #1721 (permalink)
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Awesome, fuck this company, these morons didn't even tell the audience that Rock is going to be there on their main show! I hope it gets lower every week until USA will throw their pathetic program from their network.
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It is almost truly indescribable how much WWE, John Cena and to a lesser extent The Rock have all seemingly conspired to ruin what should have been the biggest, most important feud the WWE had seen since Batista/Triple H. I'm blaming The Rock some because of the Portland Promo. I'm blaming Cena for his typical bullshit. And I say typical bullshit because this isn't exactly the first time he's shrugged off an opponent going into what should have been a mega-match. The final Raw before Wrestlemania XXVI, he actually undid all of the build-up (which at that time was very, very good) between he and Batista, saying he no longer saw the Animal but just Dave Batista and he knew he could beat Batista. Turned out, he more or less obliterated Batista in their feud, which wasn't by itself a bad booking decision since Batista was leaving but the feud was never quite the same. It became much worse after the duct tape incident at Extreme Rules. Then there was his shtick the week before TLC 2010, which demonstrated just how far the Nexus angle had sunk. Cena was sure he was going to win, he was going to crush Wade Barrett... and he did. Then there was last year's Wrestlemania build. For the first several weeks after Elimination Chamber, he made juvenile jokes about The Miz and Alex Riley. He and Rock continued their promo wars while Miz had to carry the actual present feud. Then there was the entire Survivor Series 2011 build-up fiasco, in which he singlehandedly crushed Awesome Truth like a couple of ants, belittled them and never took them remotely seriously. Now he's doing it with The Rock. I guess we can't overstate whatever CM Punk had to impress John Cena because he's essentially been the only individual as of late to escape this sort of treatment from Cena. (I'm not even counting Kane since it was filler but I'll be damned if that feud didn't have more depth to it at certain points than Rock/Cena does at this time.) But WWE deserves the most amount of blame.

They built The Miz up one year ago, only to systematically destroy everything he and they worked on. They booked Rock vs. Cena one year in advance and allowed the intrigue and mystery of the build-up to be undercut by their Survivor Series build-up, which looking back on it was a colossal waste. However, the most devastating matter today is that I have no idea why Rock is fighting John Cena on April 1. Why are they so hesitant to allow Rock to bring back to the table what started all of this, Cena's badmouthing and calling out of The Rock years ago? That is where this all emerged from in the first place. Instead, he's supposedly fighting for the people but as the feud goes along the people are being driven into Cena's camp. The whole thing is a gigantic clusterfuck of a mess.

The other problem, which I would argue is an even more pressing problem for WWE in the realm of ratings is that they have utterly failed to make people care about anyone not named Triple H, John Cena, The Rock, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker and from time to time CM Punk. WWE's #1 problem is inflation. Star inflation. Championship inflation. Case in point--the two world championship matches feel like midcard bouts at Wrestlemania. They finally started something great with Chris Jericho and CM Punk last week, but this week was a standard, pedestrian tag team match (playa) right in the middle of the show. Sheamus and Daniel Bryan's feud is at emergency levels of needing some nourishment. This is terrible. Meanwhile, they've stripped last year's pet project, The Miz, bare to the point where seven months ago he was a ratings draw by himself in shitty quarter hours doing shitty things and now he's always in segments that lose dramatic levels of viewers.

WWE is in trouble. Raw averaged 5.6 million viewers during the Road to Wrestlemania in 2010. Raw averaged 5.6 million viewers during the Road to Wrestlemania in 2011. Right now, they're one million viewers off. These are viewership numbers we could easily see in May. This is catastrophic.

The Rock/Cena feud has become unexciting for most casuals. I was talking with a few friends last night--individuals who watch Raw on and off, knew about Rock vs. Cena eleven months ago, etceteras--and they were all unanimous that they just don't care anymore. Rock as an icon has actually gone down in all of their estimations. Between his patchy performances, Cena's interactions with him, what have you, WWE's actually damaged Rock's brand rather than he clearly improve theirs (in terms of quality product, obviously he was a major part of their business explosion a year ago right now, including much of the WM 27 buyrate).

Last year during the early autumnal phase of what had been the Summer of Punk, I joked about WWE being able to fuck anything up. Well, it turns out that they are.
This seems to sum up a lot of stuff the both of us and some others have been flagging over the past few months. Panic mode doesn't even begin to describe where they are right now. If you can't average 5 million viewers for Raw in February with no competition and Rock, Cena, HHH, Taker, HBK on the show and Wrestlemania around the corner then how in God's name are you going to do it with Cena, Punk, Miz and Ryder heading into Over the Limit or whatever shitty PPV they have in May these days? I'm very curious as to whether Rock/Cena popped a big number at the end or if it was HHH/HBK at the start. I'm willing to be that 1 of the segments managed to get close to 5 mill+. I just wonder what one. Hell, maybe the 10pm slot will surprise us and the Punk/Jericho marks will go wild lol.
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Well, the first hour averaged almost 100,000 viewers more than the second hour, which leads me to believe that HBK/Trips was, not surprisingly, a beast coming out of the starting gate. I wouldn't be surprised if they started with a 3.5/3.6 rating or so for that.

The real kicker to all of this is that WWE--from a ratings perspective, anyway--had a fairly solid game plan in having a bunch of Rock skits mapped out for the whole show, Cena's three-minute and change "empty arena" promo hitting at the very beginning of the fourth quarter, etceteras. I think what would really hurt is if they just had static ratings throughout the night, with only occasional major drops here and there, following the inevitable dropoff from HBK/Trips. Because that would indicate that the product/brand itself is not drawing very well at all, and that they're literally maxing out at a certain level of viewership.

Problem with that theory is that most of the Raw audience is so conditioned to knowing that QH1, QH5 and the final quarter hour-to-the-overrun are all that really matter, so all of WWE's maneuvers were very likely for naught.

One thing is obvious, the Streak rematch has many people's imaginations. Jericho/Punk, based on last week, anyway, seems to be capturing a lot of excitement. It's fairly evident that Rock/Cena is hemorrhaging excitement right now. There's only one thing to do, get three chairs and Jim Ross and have them cut the most realistic-but-not-kayfabe-breaking promo against one another, ala Austin/Rock with JR leading into WM X-7. JR could talk about how he signed both guys, etceteras. Give this damned thing some weight and depth. Oh well, guess we'll be having concerts instead.
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I don't think it's any surprise [at this point] that ratings aren't great. The WWE are in a transitional period, and they're not doing a very good job with it. The roster is weak, they've only just started rebuilding.

The Rock hasn't done anything noteworthy since his return (other than the first pre-tape last night), the feud has been very underwhelming so far, and HBK has never been known as a ratings juggernaut [how awesome has HHH/HBK/Taker been though?].

Just gotta sit back and wait. In the mean time, we can all laugh at the morons who wasted six months of their free time solely blaming CM Punk.
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I don't think it's any surprise [at this point] that ratings aren't great. The WWE are in a transitional period, and they're not doing a very good job with it. The roster is weak, they've only just started rebuilding. The Rock hasn't done anything noteworthy since his return (other than the first pre-tape last night), the feud has been very underwhelming so far, and HBK has never been known as a ratings juggernaut [how awesome has HHH/HBK/Taker been though?].

Just gotta sit back and wait. In the mean time, we can all laugh at the morons who wasted six months of their free time solely blaming CM Punk.
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I think I've figured it out lol. This is Vince's ultimate revenge for Trips marrying Stephanie. He's doing everything in his power to ensure that he inherits a seemingly dying product lol. Then he'll look up from hell and watch as it all disintegrates with a great big smile on his face.
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Amen.

Those idiots blaming Punk all of those months were like some repugnantly drunken and abusive stepdad kicking the seven-year-old stepson they've known for about six months around because he failed to assemble a cort of firewood in five minutes flat.

At a certain point in time, WWE had to give somebody not named Cena or Triple H or Undertaker or Orton "the ball"; it's just a shame they almost felt compelled to do so chiefly because of the sheer thinness of their roster, making the transitional phase all the more arduous for whoever that individual was going to be.
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This seems to sum up a lot of stuff the both of us and some others have been flagging over the past few months. Panic mode doesn't even begin to describe where they are right now. If you can't average 5 million viewers for Raw in February with no competition and Rock, Cena, HHH, Taker, HBK on the show and Wrestlemania around the corner then how in God's name are you going to do it with Cena, Punk, Miz and Ryder heading into Over the Limit or whatever shitty PPV they have in May these days? I'm very curious as to whether Rock/Cena popped a big number at the end or if it was HHH/HBK at the start. I'm willing to be that 1 of the segments managed to get close to 5 mill+. I just wonder what one. Hell, maybe the 10pm slot will surprise us and the Punk/Jericho marks will go wild lol.
I agree with what you and DesolationRow are saying (Rock/Cena should be drawing more, no matter whether you care about such things or not, and I stubbornly refuse to ), but you're phrasing that question wrong. Cena, Punk, Ryder, et al aren't expected to be drawing those numbers for Over The Limit; it'd be nice if they did, but no one's expecting it. Rocky, Trips/Taker, these are all desperate attempts to use something to spike an obscene rating. A RTWM rating. Which they drew the last two years, as DesoRow said. They drew that in 2010 without Rock and without the grand returns of Trips and Taker. I don't have the numbers, and I don't care to look for them, but I assume that after WM, the ratings dropped right back down to normal, just like we'd be expecting Rocky, Trips, Taker and Shawn all toddle off post-WM.

Now they can't even get that temporary spike. Something is rotten in the state of WWE.

But if Rocky's return was an experiment, the conclusion is that WWE's problem isn't a lack of individual draws. It's something more systemic than that. He drew well enough last WM when his return was red fucking hot, but it's been a very literal case of diminishing returns - Survivor Series' buyrate was good, but not as good everyone perhaps hoped or expected, and we blamed it on the diastrous handling of the Awesome Truth feud. RTWM has been unflattering, to say the least, and the blame is being laid at the handling of the Rock/Cena feud.

Similarly, when Punk was red fucking hot, they spiked a buyrate for MITB. Then they brought him back waaayyyyy too soon to get interest for Summerslam. Then it just tails off, and we blame it on his getting lost in that Nash/Trips/Del Rio/Miz/whatever quagmire that no one could figure out.

I'm guessing the numbers would look similar for the Nexus' run in 2010 if I could be arsed looking for it.

They've been able to spike ratings before when they made things interesting. They've - somehow - made Rocky/Cena uninteresting to the people it should be specifically capturing. So the most important question isn't why isn't Rocky drawing, or why isn't WM drawing, or why won't Punk, Cena and Ryder draw. It's how the fuck can anyone be expected to draw consistently in such a creatively fucked company?
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I think I've figured it out lol. This is Vince's ultimate revenge for Trips marrying Stephanie. He's doing everything in his power to ensure that he inherits a seemingly dying product lol. Then he'll look up from hell and watch as it all disintegrates with a great big smile on his face.
Ha... I wonder how much of this purported power struggle between Kevin Dunn and Triple H/Stephanie is actually true. It could be a reasonable explanation for why the company has seemed to be in a kind of state of constant turmoil these past, oh, eight months or so.

The funny/sad thing is, Vince McMahon is absolutely batshit insane and seems to really think he's going to live forever, perpetually holding the power of running WWE. I legitimately wonder if he'll ever truly "let go" to Triple H and Stephanie.
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Well, the first hour averaged almost 100,000 viewers more than the second hour, which leads me to believe that HBK/Trips was, not surprisingly, a beast coming out of the starting gate. I wouldn't be surprised if they started with a 3.5/3.6 rating or so for that.

The real kicker to all of this is that WWE--from a ratings perspective, anyway--had a fairly solid game plan in having a bunch of Rock skits mapped out for the whole show, Cena's three-minute and change "empty arena" promo hitting at the very beginning of the fourth quarter, etceteras. I think what would really hurt is if they just had static ratings throughout the night, with only occasional major drops here and there, following the inevitable dropoff from HBK/Trips. Because that would indicate that the product/brand itself is not drawing very well at all, and that they're literally maxing out at a certain level of viewership.

Problem with that theory is that most of the Raw audience is so conditioned to knowing that QH1, QH5 and the final quarter hour-to-the-overrun are all that really matter, so all of WWE's maneuvers were very likely for naught.

One thing is obvious, the Streak rematch has many people's imaginations. Jericho/Punk, based on last week, anyway, seems to be capturing a lot of excitement. It's fairly evident that Rock/Cena is hemorrhaging excitement right now. There's only one thing to do, get three chairs and Jim Ross and have them cut the most realistic-but-not-kayfabe-breaking promo against one another, ala Austin/Rock with JR leading into WM X-7. JR could talk about how he signed both guys, etceteras. Give this damned thing some weight and depth. Oh well, guess we'll be having concerts instead.
I actually think the reality to the feud is killing it because instead of working together to build interesting segments you have 2 guys looking to embarrass each other with points nobody really cares about anyways.

I don't think any sort of promo can save this feud. It's time to throw down because there's nothing left to talk about.

They need to ditch the reality stuff and focus on Cena needing the victory to secure his legacy as the future of the company. People want to see an aggressiveness out of Cena not more campiness.

Rock hurt himself with his promo at Mania and the whole birthday episode. The buzz from his return wore off and people are just waiting for him to back to Hollywood. It's sad but true.
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