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**The Official Raw Ratings Thread** (Discuss Ratings In Here)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
For a list of the weekly rating dating back to January, please click here:

http://www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2012-tv-ratings/

RATINGS BREAKDOWN FOR THIS WEEKS RAW 4/9

Raw on 4/9 did a 3.10 rating and 4.29 million viewers. The show was third for the night on cable. The show did a 2.4 in Males 12-17, 2.7 in Males 18-49, 1.0 in Girls 12-17 and 1.1 in Women 18-49 with a 69.3% male skew. It was down 21% from the 5.46 million viewers of the week after Mania show last year, and last year there was no bombshell along the lines of the Brock Lesnar return on the night after Mania show.

In the segment-by-segment, Brodus Clay & Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger lost 99,000 viewers.

Backstage with Laurinaitis with Miz an Cena, Marella looking for the Three Stooges and R-Truth vs. Cody Rhodes gained 255,000 viewers.

Lord Tensai vs. Yoshi Tatsu lost 415,000 viewers.

The mic work between C.M. Punk and Chris Jericho in the top of the hour segment gained 379,000 viewers to a 3.19.

Punk vs. Henry and the post-match with Jericho pouring beer all over Punk, as well as the quick Del Rio vs. Ryder match lost 169,000 viewers.

The Three Stooges in-ring segment lost 240,000 viewers and was the low point of the show at 2.90.

The Brock Lesnar interview gained 423,000 viewers.

And the Cena vs. Otunga match with Lesnar run-in gained 301,000 viewers, which is a very weak overrun number, finishing at 3.42.
 
#724 · (Edited)
Agreed, he was a big part in the death of WCW, but not the main part, the main part is still the TV deal with TNT. And they were going down long before him. WCW business was significantly down in every aspect since June-August 99.

For the damage he did to the wrestling buisness he should be never credited for anything posotive.
But this is bullshit and you know it. That's like saying that Angle/Benoit is suddenly a terrible match because of what Benoit did.
 
#726 ·
Agreed, he was a big part in the death of WCW, but not the main part, the main part is still the TV deal with TNT. And they were going down long before him. WCW business was significantly down in every aspect since June-August 99.
Which was the result of not only lack of leadership and structure within the company but also the shit he and Ferrara wrote for the damned show. Notice how Russo joins the company late '99 and we get the infamous horseshit that we now know as "WCW 2000". He tried doing the same shit he did with WWE in WCW and it failed miserably.
 
#727 ·
you all just a bunch of cornette marks who hate Russo becasue jim rants on him all the time.

Funny thing Russo in his shoots never badmouths anyone

He was good at making stories for the entire roster and at promo writing(get mad marks)

Vince Russo+the guy who is writing SD with Vince not in a bad mood = WWE gold
 
#728 ·
Segment Breakdown
Wrestling Observer Newsletter

LASTWEEK
1/16/2012

Raw on 1/16 drew what has to be considered the most disappointing rating in months, doing a 3.02 rating and 4.29 million viewers. This was the first weekend with no football competition, and while the rating was higher than the prior week, it's still in the same ratings range they were doing against football.

The show finished fourth for the night on cable. The leading sports competition was an NBA game on ESPN that did 2.36 million viewers. The show had a 65.3% male skew. They did a 2.1 in Males 12-17 (down 16% and the lowest I've ever heard in this demo), 2.8 in Males 18-49 (up 4%), 0.7 in Girls 12-17 (down 46%) and 1.2 in Women 18-49 (up 9%).

In the segment-by-segment, the opening segment with the return of Mick Foley, plus Dolph Ziggler and C.M. Punk did a 3.23.

Primo & Epico vs. Kofi Kingston & Evan Bourne lost 522,000 viewers.

The Jack Swagger U.S. title win over Zack Ryder gained 207,000 viewers so Ryder finally had a segment with a meaningful gain.

Kelly Kelly & Alicia Fox vs. Bella Twins with Perez Hilton lost 169,000 viewers.

The Miz, R-Truth, Wade Barrett and Sheamus Battle Royal gained 526,000 viewers at 10 p.m. which is solid for that slot, and better than I would have expected.

The John Cena/Jack Swagger brawl and Brodus Clay dancing and wrestling JTG lost 365,000 viewers. I'd have expected better with Cena.

The Daniel Bryan/A.J./Big Show angle and Bryan interview lost 372,000 viewers.

The main event with Punk & Bryan & Chris Jericho vs. Mark Henry & Ziggler & David Otunga, plus the ending with Punk, Laurinaitis and Foley gained 817,000 viewers, which is strong growth, and was the highest point of the show with a 3.32 overrun.

This week

Raw on 1/23 did a 3.17 rating and 4.61 million viewers, showing a little bit of signs of the usual January bounce back. The show was fourth for the night on cable and was the first Raw in months without any nationally televised sports competition.

That would explain the Male skew being 68.1%, the highest in months, and increases in the key demos with a 2.6 among Male teens (up 24% and being the highest rated show on TV that night in this demo which had been struggling), 2.9 in Males 18-49 (up 4%), 1.4 in Women 12-17 (double that of last week) and 1.1 in Women 18-49 (down 8%).

The show opened strong doing a 3.49 first quarter with the set up stuff with C.M. Punk, John Cena and John Laurinaitis.

However, Punk & Cena vs. Jack Swagger & Dolph Ziggler lost 528,000 viewers. That's not unusual for the time slot, but you would think with Punk & Cena that people would have stayed past the first quarter.

The Chris Jericho Highlight Reel segment lost 287,000 viewers.

Kane vs. Zack Ryder which ended with the big sell stretcher job gained 601,000 viewers, which did well for the strongly sold angle.

Sheamus vs. Jinder Mahal lost 490,000 viewers.

Brodus Clay vs. Heath Slater gained 35,000 viewers.

Miz vs. R-Truth lost 19,000 viewers.

The tease of Punk vs. Laurinaitis and ending angle gained 761,000 viewers to a 3.54 overrun. That's normal level overrun growth, but better than usual for a segment anchored by Punk.

As far as the overrun growth, Teenage Boys went from 2.7 to 3.0, Males 18-49 from 2.8 to 3.4 (so this Punk/Laurinaitis was very strong in this age group), Teenage girls went from 1.1 to 1.2 and Women 18-49 stayed at 1.2. Basically a strong Punk anchored final quarter only hit males and women didn't care, whereas with Cena you usually get across the board growth. Although with the two of them together wrestling you had drops across the board, with Teenage Boys dropping from 2.6 to 2.3, Men 18-49 from 3.0 to 2.8, Women teens from 2.0 to 1.9 and Women 18-49 from 1.4 to 1.2.
 
#731 ·
Hard to take anything from these numbers per wrestler... Punk gains but loses. Cena had a drastic drop off segment. Ryder was up and down. Does seem to be more about the audience not trusting the WWE to keep angles consistent on Raw than anything else... solid segments with different stars in multiple weeks yet the trend for losing or gaining viewers doesn't really change.
 
#732 ·
People for some stupid reason seem to think individuals are to blame whenever ratings aren't good, but if that were the case then Punk doesn't draw, Cena doesn't draw, Jericho doesn't draw, etc. But that is not the case. You pull off a good show with good angles and storyline progression, you'll get good numbers.
 
#734 ·
I expected Foley to gain a good number in the main event, unfortunately, the overall main event number was terrible for this time of the year with a 10 minutes overrun. Punk/Ace was not big like I thought it would be, after all the hype for their match, months of promo time, plenty of segments + no competition + 11-12 minutes overrun? but it's Punk after all so I guess it shouldn't be surprising. to end the final RAW before the Rumble with a 3.5 is terrible no matter what, I can see the Rumble doing the worst overall number since 97. Kane/Ryder did much better than expected and hopefully from next week, Jericho would be a real star character and not a clown running around the ring and he can be in the main time slots.

For next week, I can see a 3.5 overall, 4.0+ for the HHH segment and if it's on the show in a main slot, the Orton Rumble winner segment 3.6-3.7
 
#735 ·
fpalm Give credit where credit is due once in a while. You make excuses only when you're favorites are doing shit numbers. Let's see some examples, Survivor Series 2011 buyrate, we all know the great numbers Orton's segments get, and Jericho losing 300k viewers. Which wouldn't be that weird if he didn't just follow a segment that lost 500k viewers. I mean, holy shit we know you're a troll but at least admit when you're wrong. Punk's segments the past two weeks did great. He's actually one of the few bringing in good numbers. Cena did shitty, Miz did shitty, Jericho did fucking awful and has been doing so since he came back. That doesn't mean they aren't "draws." I'll say it again, it's the show as a whole.

And lol at your next week predictions. No wonder you're always so disappointed, you live in a fantasy world.
 
#737 ·
Orton segments on RAW are always in random time slots(where Cena lost viewers two weeks in a row), read this thread, I predicted decent numbers for the main event segments because that's what happen when you got 10 minutes+ overrun with no competition.

As for next week? they did 3.2 this week, next week is a show that usually gets a big jump after the Rumble, if this doesn't get 3.5 then it's terrible in all standards.
 
#740 · (Edited)
It was always like this so it's nothing new, but the huge drop in the second quarter for the last year is funny because years ago it was a huge segment in terms of gain.

And lol@PWTorch, same thing I said:

Jumping back to the Triple H reference in closing. The “hype” for next Monday has the potential to be a move of unabashed genius. No one else has made any change to the ratings for the last few months, so by strapping his name to the post-Rumble Raw at the very last second, Hunter can on the surface still look like the biggest draw in WWE. That being said, they could have just as easily said “Brian Leahy will appear at next week’s Raw” and reaped the same, probable ratings bump.
 
#746 ·
It seems anything between 3.2 and 3.5 is the norm for WWE currently and nothing spectacular. Anything lower is considered a disappointment. I wonder what it would take for the ratings to get a whole point bump closer to 4.5 and about 6 million viewers, even if its just temporary.
 
#747 · (Edited)
The main event with Punk & Bryan & Chris Jericho vs. Mark Henry & Ziggler & David Otunga, plus the ending with Punk, Laurinaitis and Foley gained 817,000 viewers, which is strong growth, and was the highest point of the show with a 3.32 overrun.


The tease of Punk vs. Laurinaitis and ending angle gained 761,000 viewers to a 3.54 overrun. That's normal level overrun growth, but better than usual for a segment anchored by Punk

The show opened strong doing a 3.49 first quarter with the set up stuff with C.M. Punk, John Cena and John Laurinaitis.
Now these aren't terrific numbers but they are great and I mean very good cause I don't think anyone else than HHH,Cena pulls 800k+ or around that and though people say that's usual growth but that's usual cause Cena is always in ME.
And even if you deny that you can't deny that two ME numbers are pretty damn good considering it had Cm punk.And I will say if after gaining around 817k they do a 3.32 then it's really worrying.

Jericho losing viewers makes me feel really really bad though

The John Cena/Jack Swagger brawl and Brodus Clay dancing and wrestling JTG lost 365,000 viewers. I'd have expected better with Cena.
That's not good

EDIT: Why this place is so uneventful today? :D
 
#748 ·
I believe as long as the ratings for RAW are around 3.5 to 3.2 then that is considered a success. They just need to avoid being below 3.0 because that kind of rating is just too discouraging. I'm glad to hear about the decent rating for this week's show.
 
#751 · (Edited)
Of course I believe in everything, if you would understand how it works you will also believe in that. But it's mostly just people coming to find out if their favorite did a good number without understanding the time slots deal and what can affect the viewers, like Jericho for example, with a character like that and the type of segments he's doing, he can never be in the top of the hour which means he's going to lose, simple, it's not a open Heart Surgery.
 
#754 ·
I am extremely surprised that main event with Punk/Jericho/Bryan teaming up gained 800k+ viewers. No proven draw in sight... so that's really really good... ESPECIALLY considering it was a Punk match, and those never have drawn well in the past. Could also be because afterwards they had the big thing going with Punk/Foley/Ace, and Punk promos usually do well at least, but yeah...

the Punk/Ace match did a good, not great number considering all the hype. Ryder also managed to gain good numbers the past couple of weeks, which shows that this angle with Kane/Cena/Ryder is indeed drawing.

Well, next week will start the Road to Wrestlemania... not sure how big the number will be, but the HHH/Laurinitis stuff should draw in people at least. We'll see what happens...
 
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#755 ·
January 23rd, 2012 - Breakdown
Q1 - 3.49 rating / 5.06 million
Q2 - 3.09 rating / 4.53 million
Q3 - 2.89 rating / 4.24 million
Q4 - 3.30 rating / 4.84 million
Q5 - 3.01 rating / 4.35 million
Q6 - 3.04 rating / 4.39 million
Q7 - 3.02 rating / 4.37 million
Q8 + OR - 3.54 rating / 5.13 million

I think Q4 and Q5 need to be swapped around because Q5 wouldn't lose that much. Big gain for the last segment and more importantly over 5 million which is the good thing.
 
#756 ·
Who said Punk cant draw. He always just needed somebody big or over to fued with.
 
#760 · (Edited)
Holy Crap The 2 quarters with the most viewers were both segments Punk was in :punk

Sidenote: yes I do know the beginning of the show and the final quater+overrn are 2 of the highest rated spots no matter what. But It definitely has been pretty uneventful in this thread considerring quarters were posted.


Hopefully from this and SD's current ratings the WWE is figuring out that if you have good storylines (plural), some actual character development, and some decent booking people will actually tune in to their shows.
 
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