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Old 02-29-2012, 12:37 PM   #1591 (permalink)
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Full breakdown later when it comes, but assuming the information on the previous page was true:

3.4 rating / ~5.1 million - Q3 - conclusion of Punk/Bryan; Y2J's attack
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3.5 rating / ~5.1 million - Overrun 1 - Rock promo beginning
3.3 rating / ~4.8 million - Overrun 2 - conclusion of Rock/Cena

While Rock's segment had the highest rating, it looks like the Punk/Jericho segment had the highest (or at least joint highest) viewership of the night. Quite astonishing if true, considering Jericho hasn't really drawn since he got back. Punk and Bryan though drawing well too it seems but that would be extremely surprising if it was indeed higher than Rock/Cena.

The in-depth quarter-by-quarter breakdowns later will tell us more. If we are to believe that the Daytona 500 had a effect, then the race was red-flagged at about 21:53, which is halfway through Q4, resuming at about ~00:00, after RAW had ended. So hour 2 and the overrun should not have been affected by Daytona.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:38 PM   #1592 (permalink)
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I'm curious if the fans outside the USA are really able to grasp what a big deal the Daytona 500 is though.
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When the most well-known wrestler in the world returns after a long hiatus and the ratings actually drop from the previous week, you know there's a problem deeper than the roster. No matter what the state of the product, or how awful the roster is.. surely, The Rock's return should've added at least a few more viewers.

In all honestly, I don't think there's a single wrestler left that can consistently draw without good booking. If I was a betting man, I would say that the only reason The Rock drew such a good rating in his initial return was due to his long absence. Now that he's back semi-regularly, people don't care as much. The name and the presence was a treat at first, but now people have adjusted and want something more. Something well written and gripping.

You can remake Bucky Larson with Daniel Day Lewis as the lead, but at the end of the day it's still going to be the same horrendously written piece of shit that no one wants to watch.

If nothing else, I think we can finally put to bed the argument that any single wrestler should be held responsible for the rating. Unless of course that wrestler is CM Punk. That guy should be burned at the stake!
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Viewership for the 2012 Daytona 500 grew gradually through the first two and a half hours, climbing to 14.2 million viewers in the 9:30 half-hour when the Montoya wreck occurred. Viewership grew further at 10:00 PM, peaking at 15.1 million viewers.

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Old 02-29-2012, 12:56 PM   #1595 (permalink)
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you're all stupid, returning fans aint watching that shit through a tv screen, everyone was streaming it...wwe is shit now, why would attitude era fans actually sit down and tune in like its something special, they just wanna see the rock and thats it.

look at the two champions atm they are low level wrestlers rofl wth happened to wwf?
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:57 PM   #1596 (permalink)
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When the most well-known wrestler in the world returns after a long hiatus and the ratings actually drop from the previous week, you know there's a problem deeper than the roster. No matter what the state of the product, or how awful the roster is.. surely, The Rock's return should've added at least a few more viewers.

In all honestly, I don't think there's a single wrestler left that can consistently draw without good booking. If I was a betting man, I would say that the only reason The Rock drew such a good rating in his initial return was due to his long absence. Now that he's back semi-regularly, people don't care as much. The name and the presence was a treat at first, but now people have adjusted and want something more. Something well written and gripping.

You can remake Bucky Larson with Daniel Day Lewis as the lead, but at the end of the day it's still going to be the same horrendously written piece of shit that no one wants to watch.

If nothing else, I think we can finally put to bed the argument that any single wrestler should be held responsible for the rating. Unless of course that wrestler is CM Punk. That guy should be burned at the stake!
This is a great post. The whole WWE need a complete overhaul, Rock or no Rock. Firstly the roster is so thin right now. The mid card is weak and the main events prior Rumble were not gripping or note worthy at all. In fact the only genuinely interesting main event excluding Rock/Cena is Punk/Jericho. There has been no proper build for Sheamus/Bryan which is pathetic really, this is supposed to be the Rumble winner. If Sheamus is actually going to win, then Bryan as the cowardly heel needs to dominate Sheamus till 'Mania where there is no way out. Piss of Sheamus to the brink when Bryan goes on the classic heel line "officers! arrest that man!" and pulls a fuming Sheamus out.

Secondly, the booking of the WWE is so lazy its embarrassing. The WWE once had mid card rivalries which were sometimes just as gripping, if not more gripping than the actual main event feuds. Who remembers the Eddie Guerrero - Rey Mysterio rivalry in 2005? That was an amazing, personal drawn out rivalry.. and these guys were not even in the main event. Fast forward to 2012 and we have Hunico - Dibiase in some mindless feud, having the same match each weak because.. Hunico wasn't invited to a party? Really WWE? If that isn't lazy, I don't know what is. Surely the writers have to look at things like that and just sigh and how bad things have gotten.

Thirdly, where are the epic promos? Those 3 minute promos before a match? The highlight of a rivalry merged into one big package to hype up the match? There is no care or passion in this business anymore, that is everything from the "creative" to the "talent"
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I DON'T CARE WHO IS ON MY SCREEN IF I DON'T ENJOY THE SHOW I TURN OFF I'M THERE FOR THE STORYLINE AND ALOT OF PEOPLE WOULD AGREE WITH ME
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You could talk about the Daytona 500 until you're blue in the face--yes I know it's a huge racing event--but if this was 2005/2006 or a product similar to those years with the Rock returning, even against the 500, this rating does near 4.0.
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Lol but it isn't 2005/2006 it's 2012, everyone knows the ratings are way down from what they used to be
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Beeing a draw is beeing a bit more complicated than what people think. Some guys are natural draws, but their drawing power is depending on the BASE rating the show gets in addition to their presence, and booking also plays a big role.

I will go and use Mark Henry as an example. When he was the ECW champion ratings went up from 1.1-1.2 at best to consistent 1.3s and sometimes 1.4s. When he was on SD, ratings went up from 1.8 to 2-2.1. ECW was roughly half the size SD is now, so when Henry got his SD WHC reign, his increase was almost double as much as during his ECW reign, instead of 0.15 points it went up around 0.25 points in average. This is what I'm trying to explain by the correlation between a shows base audience + drawing power of an individual wrestler. Even when someone is an actual draw, he will not get 10 million people to suddenly tune into his show, the WWE brand is still the biggest factor in it.

However, what about the 3rd ingridient, the storylines? Well, the last time we got a legitimately major storyline (that I currently remember) was Nexus, a stable full of jobbers noone knew. Guess what happened? The show went from 3.2-3.4s to 3.6-3.7s consistently and some episode went even higher than that, why? Pretty easy, it was due to the storyline beeing cutting edge and exciting when it started, it was different from the generic storylines, and people wanted to see what would happen next. But make no mistake, the difference between a non drawing and drawing show was still only 0.3-0.4 points, which is proportionate to my example with Mark Henry beforehand since Raw is a third bigger than Smackdown.

My point is, Rock drew an expected number, but the problem is that WWE kept him off till the end, he was going to get better ratings anyways, but the problem is that when you literally cut off Rock/Cena into a dimension of their own, the additional fans that Rock draws in will only come at the end of the show, I am certain that the show would have drawn better if Rock was there from the beginning. On the other hand, as I said, the rating still depends on RAWs base rating, so you can't expect a show that often gets 2.9s nowadays suddenly to jump to 4s like that, even segment wise. WWE are pushing this feud purely on starpower, with no legit storyline whatsoever, and that's why the Nexus drew more ratings, a stable full of jobbers than Rock, the biggest star to ever come out of wrestling and John Cena, the current biggest star in wrestling do.

Do you think Austin and Rock would have drawn as much as they did in their prime if they did generic storylines that would happen in the ring or backstage areas at best with generic brawling? What about Austin crashing Vinces limo, coming to the arena with a beertruck? Rock throwing the IC title under the brige? Those were storylines that actually got people talking, just like Nexus did when they destroyed the arena. You can't expect to go with the most generic storylines and hope to draw big, even the big draws will not reach their full potential this way.
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