[LarryCoon]

Originally Posted by psx71

(A) Oh for fucks sake. READ before commenting. I DON'T expect him to come back to the ring full time and NEVER said he would, and neither did Cena or Punk. Yet, the days the Rock is in the city of where RAW is taking place doing nothing but probably tweeting and riding his limo's around the city, he doesn't have time to spare to talk to talent? Again, bullshit. It's manageable to wrestle (in Rock's case make a few appearances a year), and do media promotion and STILL be able to talk to talent. Hell, Cena does it with a full time wrestling schedule.

(A) Yes, COME UP TO HIM. Don't expect for him to come up to you. But wait, how can they go up to him, he's kinda always gone and out sight....

To add an interesting fact to this, which I brought up a week back, it is customary for any talent to shake the hands of all the other performers as a sign of unity. Jimmy Korderas confirmed this on his podcast and this wrestling tradition predates any of Rock's ancestors

[Doublemint]

Originally Posted by psx71

(A) Oh for fucks sake. READ before commenting. I DON'T expect him to come back to the ring full time and NEVER said he would, and neither did Cena or Punk. Yet, the days the Rock is in the city of where RAW is taking place doing nothing but probably tweeting and riding his limo's around the city, he doesn't have time to spare to talk to talent? Again, bullshit. It's manageable to wrestle (in Rock's case make a few appearances a year), and do media promotion and STILL be able to talk to talent. Hell, Cena does it with a full time wrestling schedule.

(A) Yes, COME UP TO HIM. Don't expect for him to come up to you. But wait, how can they go up to him, he's kinda always gone and out sight....

Is there anything wrong with that? As someone already said, there are other people bitter with him, so why would he even bother talk to them or spend time with them in the first place. Might as well go hanging around the city.I would definitely avoid all those bitter and jealous people. The Rock is not WWE employee, he can go wherever he want. Who are you to tell him what to do. As long as he doesn't goes against the contract deal, everything is fine. Beside, before CM Punk comment about how The Rock being bourgeois Hollywood , during CM Punk shoot promo, he already accused of The Rock being an ass kisser and CM Punk admit the fact The Rock in Wrestlemania main event pissed him off. CM Punk real problem with The Rock is not because The Rock doesn't talk to the roster, but because The Rock is in the main event of Wrestlemania. CM Punk is the only wrestler who whine about every single minor thing about The Rock not talking to talent, other wrestler like Undertaker or Triple H don't give a shit about what The Rock does.

Originally Posted by psx71

Then again, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, there ARE wrestlers backstage who WANT to talk to the Rock, and you know what, he isn't there. Punk isn't desperate for advice, I don't know what type of advice he would want when he's already at the top. He was most likely referring to Rock and the younger talent.

Oh yeah, cause you know, the Rock putting over other talent was because of him. Bullshit. It was because he was on his way out, and he HAD to. It's more of a tradition then it is Rock's will. He wanted to go over Lesnar because he let him go over clean at SummerSlam.

First off think of this guy who shows up, and then is automatically in the main spot at WrestleMania despite the fact that he only shows up a couple times a year. Wouldn't you be pissed if that happened? Of course there's a business reason behind it, but I sure as hell would still be pissed.

Again, the envious people won't come up to you. They're going to be talking behind your back without reason cause their pricks, but again, IF Rock DID actually stay backstage, maybe they would approach him....

He already putting over talent like Jericho and Kurt Angle long time before he plan to left.Beside, Brock and The Rock are good friends in real life. There is a video in youtube where The Rock met and hug with Brock Lesnar in UFC, so whether The Rock plan to left or not, I won't be surprised if The Rock himself willingly lost to Brock Lesnar. Both of them are good friends in real life. Most people who have worked with The Rock hardly complain or talk thrash about The Rock. Only the younger generation will whine.


As for him being main event instead of someone else who been there longer than him, well that is CM Punk own problem. Not The Rock fault. Nothing personal, it just good business.

Again, the envious people won't come up to you. They're going to be talking behind your back without reason cause their pricks, but again, IF Rock DID actually stay backstage, maybe they would approach him....

Which is why I hope on the next few Raw where The Rock will stay, those younger generation superstars will be able to communicate and understand The Rock more. I don't see older generation superstar like Undertaker or Triple H complain about The Rock. Probably because they knew The Rock as an individual more and he is not the kind of person CM Punk describe him to be.

[Duke Silver]

Gotta love the excuses from the Rocky Strudel suckers. God knows Punk (a much lesser known star), has never been allowed such leeway.

Hypocrites and dolts, the lot of you.

[The-Rock-Says]

Originally Posted by psx71

Then again, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, there ARE wrestlers backstage who WANT to talk to the Rock, and you know what, he isn't there. Punk isn't desperate for advice, I don't know what type of advice he would want when he's already at the top. He was most likely referring to Rock and the younger talent.

Oh yeah, cause you know, the Rock putting over other talent was because of him. Bullshit. It was because he was on his way out, and he HAD to. It's more of a tradition then it is Rock's will. He wanted to go over Lesnar because he let him go over clean at SummerSlam.

First off think of this guy who shows up, and then is automatically in the main spot at WrestleMania despite the fact that he only shows up a couple times a year. Wouldn't you be pissed if that happened? Of course there's a business reason behind it, but I sure as hell would still be pissed.

Again, the envious people won't come up to you. They're going to be talking behind your back without reason cause their pricks, but again, IF Rock DID actually stay backstage, maybe they would approach him....

Anyone whos anyone in WWE are on the card. The main money drawers outside of Rock are on the card.

He's taking no ones spot that deserves to be in one of the main events.

Rock paid his dues a long time ago. He's a money drawer, so he's a main event guy.

Get over it, WWE is his toy chest and he can come play with it anytime he wants. Some fans need to get over it as do the losers in the back.

[SoupBro]

Lmao I love it. So now seeing as the Rock doesn't draw as much as they think I'm seeing stuff like the promo was too long that's why it lost viewers, or Wrestling is a dying business or blame NASCAR. Omfg I thought the Rock marks said he's the greatest, he's a huge movie star lol. So NASCAR > Rock right. I can pretty much fucking guarantee that if they got a 3.7 or even 4.0 u wouldn't here shit about wrestling being a dying industry. Yes wrestling isn't as huge as it was but wwe gets about 7 million viewers each week not even counting superstars. With so many channels and shows that's alright especially for pro wrestling these days.

You'll get excuse after excuse and reason after reason to protect the rock. Some of u guys are idiots. Is this really the worst roster ever. Fuck no. I will neer understand what ppl see when they say that. All the top stars could put on classic matches easily the thing is I'm sure most of the ppl that complain want Bishoffs male soap opera instead of consistent good action. Roster is great the booking is what sucks.

Lol last week got a better rating without the Rock. Gosh I think the rock marks are fuming. Or maybe it could be that Rock did get the highest rated segment at 3.5 but lost viewers, and "indie hacks" got a 3.4 for a match not promo.

[SimplyIncredible]

Originally Posted by psx71

The fact that John Cena interrupted is a bullshit excuse for the ratings drop. Most Rock marks around here go around thinkin' that he's the greatest draw of all time, and that he gains ratings/viewers no matter what he's doing. If that was really true, regardless of Cena interference or not, the rating would have held at 3.5, not have dropped.

Well, there you go. Rock was in a segment that lost viewers. Accept that. Doesn't mean he's not a draw. Course he is. Just means, he's not as fucking great as most Rock marks make him out to be. Stop riding his dick, and come back to reality. This is 2012, not 1999. Even Rock loses viewers occasionally, so before spittin' fire about other people losing ratings, think of your precious little Rock losing viewers first.

Wow, you take this shit way too seriously.

[SimplyIncredible]

Originally Posted by psx71

Difference is, I don't really give a fuck if Punk draws or not. I just enjoy him to hell. I just hate these Rock marks who put EVERYONE in the roster down, just for the Rock, thinking he's GOAT in the drawing game. And I say this as a big fan of his.

But it does feel nice to get back at them for saying that kind of stuff about Punk in the summer

Why are you so obsessed with ratings?

Its the WM buyrate that matters, that is why he was brought back, and i'm sure it will be huge.

[SimplyIncredible]

Originally Posted by SoupMan Prime

Lmao I love it. So now seeing as the Rock doesn't draw as much as they think I'm seeing stuff like the promo was too long that's why it lost viewers, or Wrestling is a dying business or blame NASCAR. Omfg I thought the Rock marks said he's the greatest, he's a huge movie star lol. So NASCAR > Rock right. I can pretty much fucking guarantee that if they got a 3.7 or even 4.0 u wouldn't here shit about wrestling being a dying industry. Yes wrestling isn't as huge as it was but wwe gets about 7 million viewers each week not even counting superstars. With so many channels and shows that's alright especially for pro wrestling these days.

You'll get excuse after excuse and reason after reason to protect the rock. Some of u guys are idiots. Is this really the worst roster ever. Fuck no. I will neer understand what ppl see when they say that. All the top stars could put on classic matches easily the thing is I'm sure most of the ppl that complain want Bishoffs male soap opera instead of consistent good action. Roster is great the booking is what sucks.

Lol last week got a better rating without the Rock. Gosh I think the rock marks are fuming. Or maybe it could be that Rock did get the highest rated segment at 3.5 but lost viewers, and "indie hacks" got a 3.4 for a match not promo.

Pretty sure that Impact usually has much more wrestling than Raw does each week tbh...

[Dub¢]

Originally Posted by SimplyIncredible

Why are you so obsessed with ratings?

Its the WM buyrate that matters, that is why he was brought back, and i'm sure it will be huge.

Of course it will be huge, the 4 million plus who watch week in and week out are the ones who are more invested in the product and more incline to buy the ppv. Some just need to relax on over analyzing these ratings.

[DesolationRow]

Originally Posted by kokepepsi

This is the rockmark contradiction that is annoying

Creative can kill Rocks momentum and star power so it is not his fault stuff does not draw.

But somehow when it comes to the rest of the roster, they suck and it's not because of the booking/creative but because they can't get over themselves and suck.
(except for HHH/Taker one guy who books his own shit and one who only works once a year and is working with the guy who is booking his own stuff)

Why can't we all just hate Steph/Creative/Vince and their shit ideas together?

Fucking amen.

It's okay when Punk's white-hot storyline is turned into a complete circle jerk fiasco that breaks a hundred laws of pro wrestling, because he wasn't gonna ever draw anyway, eh? But if Rock doesn't draw viewers like trout to aquatic insects, it is down to creative, pure and simple. They dropped the ball. Never mind that Rock was gone for months on end, last time he was seen he kicked three guys' asses and every appearance of his is treated like the Second Coming, whereas, for the benefit of mere counter point, Punk had to wade deep into the mess of the entire late August-to-late October "Summer of Punk-Cum-Conspiracy-Cum-Utter Fuckery" angle, never really satisfactorily avenging his bedevilment at the varied hands of Nash and Awesome Truth, and then awkwardly thrown into an angle with Alberto Del Rio.

And I have to say, RockAE316 hasn't disappointed. Now not only is this the worst roster of all times~!, but apparently WWE is in the shape of WCW in the year 2000. Business is down across the board but WWE's not exactly at death's door quite yet. Hyperbole does not become thee. Doth protest too much.

Obviously Daytona 500 hurt Raw's rating. Obviously the 3.1 rating as a simple number is not something to get worked up over all by itself. Want proof? A mere year and a half ago, in August 2010, Raw drew two back-to-back viewership numbers of 4,660,000, roughly the same number for this week's viewership and each Raw had 3.3 ratings. February and March are much more arduous television months than August. And, yes, Daytona 500 doubtless had a deleterious effect on the rating.

What does sting, though, is that The Rock actually, actively, lost viewers. There's just no way around that and I dare anyone to try. The promo was honestly all over the place, and while parts of it were entertaining, the whole never quite equaled the sum of its parts.

But enough about the week-to-week ratings. Sure, they matter. But this complete obsession over them at the expense of all else is ridiculous. WWE needs an overall hot product again. Rock did help a lot last year. The year before, they still had Batista and Michaels, Bret Hart was around for whatever that was worth, with a lot of great build-up consistently strewn throughout the product. Each of the last two years, the viewership average for Raw during the Road to Wrestlemania was 5.6 million viewers.

I have to think the USA Network is going to be eyeing the numbers of the next few Raws with considerable interest.

The real good news for WWE/USA is that I am sure that the upcoming Raws will be more balanced affairs. Triple H/Undertaker/Shawn Michaels build-up was utterly absent from this week's Raw and it hurt them. It hurt them rather badly, honestly. Put them at the top of the second hour and you probably have a significantly different picture.

Oh yeah, but let's talk about how WWE is going to die inside of 30 months. Because this is surely the worst it's ever been for Vinnie Mac!