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Old 02-28-2012, 10:39 PM   #1521 (permalink)
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Wait, but it doesn't matter right? It's the Rock. He's ALWAYS supposed to draw, no matter what. Doesn't matter if it's an overrun, people WANT to watch him, nevermind that it went on a 25 minute overrun. The more of the Rock on RAW, the better right? He's supposed to be this ultra mega movie star who's the biggest draw of all time. He's supposed to be the guy that takes the WWE back into the promised land of the "4.0" ratings right?

Right, coming back to reality now? Back when Punk was losing viewers, people were praising him like a god, saying stuff like that. Just pissed me the fuck off. And now that Rock is revealed for a guy who's losing viewers, I get this shitty excuses that people slammed when Punk was losing.

Now, not dissin' on you if you didn't say it, but some people did, and that's the only reason I am. And I say this as a huge fan of the Rock, but some people just piss me the hell off on here with how far they take him. Slow it down. Again, it's fucking 2012, not 1999. Stay in the past all you want, but don't bring it's irrelevancy into ratings arguments when they're two completely different era's.

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So basically you're saying everyone loses viewers and WWE is ******, because it's becoming increasingly irrelvant.

That's really what's happening here. They've lost a million viewers in 1 year. 1 million viewers. PPV's are down 10%.

It's not a face/ heel Cena, Rock, Punk or anything else thing. WWE is fading away into obscurity.

Now I know you're talking about Rock fans in general but if you look what I myself predicted it was basically this. Rock's return was a spark and that spark fizzled because of the year in advance announcement of the match. Shaq or Lesnar are the only 2 people who can bring in a spark but make no mistake about it's a spark not the fire.

The fire is gone and not coming back. Competition is just better than what it was in the NWO/ Attitude era. MMA/ better cable competition. Get use to people b****ing about the ratings bc it's not changing anytime soon.
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Good to know Rock did the peak. I guess Daytona was a big factor and next week he can do a bigger segment. HBK/Taker/HHH should also do good number together. The problem I have is why they didn't say that Rock is going to be there next week? I don't get it, NOBODY know that he's going to be there except the live crowd in Boston, why the hell not say that? WWE are losing it, period.

And for the overrun, for all the clueless kids here, when you got 20 minutes overrun, it's not just the wrestling audience, it's also the people who come to see the show after RAW. That's why after a few minutes, it's a natural thing for them to change the channel and they did it exactly when Cena came out, good choice.

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Damn, sucks for this. I was sure with Rock, Taker, HHH, Y2J, Punk, Cena and the mania momentum in general building up they would do upwards of a 4.

Maybe now that Rock was on for one show it'll get the Casuals to think "Oh Shit Rocky's back". A couple graphics for a return mean jack shit.
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So The Rock part did a 3.5 followed by a 3.3? Actually lost viewers? Last time I checked there are only one guy to blame for that. Sure isnt CM Punk.
The logical reason is that his promo dragged on too long and people got bored.

Face it, the big stars from the Attitude Era cant draw on a longterm basis in todays wrestling. People tune in for nostaglia reason and when they have gotten their fix they dont care. It happens both in WWE and TNA.
The Rock is not someone that will draw WAY more then the other guys. He will surely draw more, but not instantly spike the ratings close to 4.0.
Dead on. Of course he draws, you'd be foolish to think he doesn't. But some Rock marks on here need to realize that he's that huge draw that they make him out to be. And also, if Rock loses viewers, then don't fucking bash on other people not being a draw, cause shit happens.
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Good to know Rock did the peak. I guess Daytona was a big factor and next week he can do a bigger segment. HBK/Taker/HHH should also do good number together. The problem I have is why they didn't say that Rock is going to be there next week? I don't get it, NOBODY know that he's going to be there except the live crowd in Boston, why the hell not say that? WWE are losing it, period.

And for the overrun, for all the clueless kids here, when you got 20 minutes overrun, it's not just the wrestling audience, it's also the people who come to see the show after RAW. That's why after a few minutes, it's a natural thing for them to change the channel and they did it exactly when Cena came out, good choice.
Already making excuses for next weeks 2.9 and 3.3 segment with Rock?

Can't believe there are so many Nascar marks though
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So basically you're saying everyone loses viewers and WWE is ******, because it's becoming increasingly irrelvant.

That's really what's happening here. They've lost a million viewers in 1 year. 1 million viewers. PPV's are down 10%.

It's not a face/ heel Cena, Rock, Punk or anything else thing. WWE is fading away into obscurity.

Now I know you're talking about Rock fans in general but if you look what I myself predicted it was basically this. Rock's return was a spark and that spark fizzled because of the year in advance announcement of the match. Shaq or Lesnar are the only 2 people who can bring in a spark but make no mistake about it's a spark not the fire.

The fire is gone and not coming back. Competition is just better than what it was in the NWO/ Attitude era. MMA/ better cable competition. Get use to people b****ing about the ratings bc it's not changing anytime soon.
First off, despite you being correct on that one, I NEVER said that in my argument. Don't know where you got that from, but your correct, and I 100% agree with you on your entire paragraph actually.

Second of all, I have no problem with people who bitch, but they obviously need a reason too. And now that the whole logic of what their reason was based on is being dis-proven slowly as Rock is LOSING viewers, and is seemingly not "drawing" what the marks were saying he could compared to Punk etc, they get their all of a sudden shitting out bricks.

I just wanted to prove to them that they were wrong, and are wrong. About everything. About Punk, about Cena, about Orton about Rock, about Survivor Series.
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That prowrestling net thing I posted, although not sure how legit it is since it is the first time I have used that site:
"WWE Raw drew a 3.14 rating with the overrun segments included. The initial 15-minute overrun featuring The Rock and John Cena drew a 3.5 rating, and the additional six minutes that followed drew a 3.3 rating."

So the overrun lost viewers as it went on.
Can't blame em. Rock was deep into the twitter crap as his promo went on and it dragged
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:49 PM   #1528 (permalink)
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Already making excuses for next weeks 2.9 and 3.3 segment with Rock?

Can't believe there are so many Nascar marks though
Viewership was much the same as last week. Television audience increased bc of Nascar and that's why the number was down.

Yes, the Rock is supposed to increase viewership and he hasn't since last year's Mania ended so in that regards his return has been a disappointment.

The one thing I will say though is Mania will draw and that's a guarantee. Ultimately that decides whether or not he was a success. He was brought in for that day more than anything else.
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First off, despite you being correct on that one, I NEVER said that in my argument. Don't know where you got that from, but your correct, and I 100% agree with you on your entire paragraph actually.

Second of all, I have no problem with people who bitch, but they obviously need a reason too. And now that the whole logic of what their reason was based on is being dis-proven slowly as Rock is LOSING viewers, and is seemingly not "drawing" what the marks were saying he could compared to Punk etc, they get their all of a sudden shitting out bricks.

I just wanted to prove to them that they were wrong, and are wrong. About everything. About Punk, about Cena, about Orton about Rock, about Survivor Series.
They're not wrong about Survivor Series though.

Survivor Series was a 15% increase when all the surrounding PPV's decreased 10%.

Reallistically speaking Rock garnered an additional 50,000 on that PPV.

It's not world breaking numbers but no tag match will get you that.

I do agree with you that wrestling is diminshed market no matter whose in it. It's not a Punk or Cena thing. The interest in wrestling just isn't there anymore.
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Already making excuses for next weeks 2.9 and 3.3 segment with Rock?

Can't believe there are so many Nascar marks though
No need for that, Without Rock this show is doing below 3.0, same thing for next week. But without competition and with real star power on the show like HBK/Taker/HHH they should do bigger. Rock is not going to turn a dead product for two years in a row, he did it last year, single-handedly, they fucked it up. Meanwhile he's doing blockbusters, still nobody got more than him BTW, 4.0 in November, let's see if they can do bigger.
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