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Originally Posted by Fanboi101

Plus, if you don't think ratings are related to buyrates, ticket sales, dvds etc you are crazy. The more people that are watching your product the more people will buy dvds, merch, tickets, ppvs. It's simple logic

Not necessarily true, when you consider how simple it is to access streams now.

It's certainly concerning though.

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Originally Posted by kokepepsi

isn't that how Raw got kicked out of Spike
Contract was over and they asked for more money. Spike was like "lol ratings" and WWE had to go to USA for half the money.
*not really lol ratings but something happened

Not true. The ratings were actually up during the time, thats why they decided to make a wise move to go back to USA network.

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Only 200,000 viewers lost to DVR? who still watches live TV?

[Fanboi101]

I think the internet streaming thing is so overblown in respect to U.S. tv ratings. It impacts PPVs certainly, but I doubt it impacts tv ratings much at all. There are 100 million homes in the US that get the USA network. This is more than ever before. Why would these people be streaming it if they got it on tv?

I'd bet that most people that stream Raw are outside of the U.S. because Raw is either on pay tv (U.K.), or because Raw may not be available in the country they live in. Ratings don't include non-U.S. residents.

So, basically, most people that stream Raw on the internet probably do so because they couldn't watch it otherwise. They have no impact on the ratings because if they didnt stream it, they still couldn't watch it.

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Originally Posted by Fanboi101

I think the internet streaming thing is so overblown in respect to U.S. tv ratings. It impacts PPVs certainly, but I doubt it impacts tv ratings much at all. There are 100 million homes in the US that get the USA network. This is more than ever before. Why would these people be streaming it if they got it on tv?

I'd bet that most people that stream Raw are outside of the U.S. because Raw is either on pay tv (U.K.), or because Raw may not be available in the country they live in. Ratings don't include non-U.S. residents.

So, basically, most people that stream Raw on the internet probably do so because they couldn't watch it otherwise. They have no impact on the ratings because if they didnt stream it, they still couldn't watch it.

Nailed it.

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Rock Cena will not draw in big numbers on it's own. Survivor Series should tell you this feud has lost it's spark. WWE needs to get this Shaq storyline rolling, because he's the guy that will actually bring in the spark.

WWE has to pull out all of the stops too, because interest in the product is fading at an alarming level. It's not a CM Punk or a Daniel Bryan or a kid friendly John Cena thing the industry is just be taking out by MMA and increased competition on a cable level.

If I was the WWE I'd try to be as creative as possible with the Rock and Shaq. Don't put at your eggs into the Wrestlemania basket.

Rock v Miz is a match that can easily be made in the run up to Mania.

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I personally prefer Wade Keller and Bruce Mitchell anyways. They continually provide a much better analysis than anything Meltzer has done.

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Originally Posted by Fanboi101

I think the internet streaming thing is so overblown in respect to U.S. tv ratings. It impacts PPVs certainly, but I doubt it impacts tv ratings much at all. There are 100 million homes in the US that get the USA network. This is more than ever before. Why would these people be streaming it if they got it on tv?

I'd bet that most people that stream Raw are outside of the U.S. because Raw is either on pay tv (U.K.), or because Raw may not be available in the country they live in. Ratings don't include non-U.S. residents.

So, basically, most people that stream Raw on the internet probably do so because they couldn't watch it otherwise. They have no impact on the ratings because if they didnt stream it, they still couldn't watch it.

There are plenty of reasons people in the US stream Raw. They are not home when Raw is on live and have to stream it. Also, I know a few people that stream Raw b/c they don't want to watch it live b/c of commercials. So IMO I don't think that internet streaming thing is overblown at all and definitely has an effect on TV ratings. Internet streaming is having an effect on alot more TV shows' TV ratings than just RAW. Hell even myself I have other commitments on Monday evenings and have to DVR Raw and watch it after I get home on monday nights after Raw is finished on TV.

Thinking that internet streaming has no effect on the TV ratings is just as ignorant as thinking the TV ratings have no meaning at all.

[Fanboi101]

Originally Posted by A-C-P

There are plenty of reasons people in the US stream Raw. They are not home when Raw is on live and have to stream it. Also, I know a few people that stream Raw b/c they don't want to watch it live b/c of commercials. So IMO I don't think that internet streaming thing is overblown at all and definitely has an effect on TV ratings. Internet streaming is having an effect on alot more TV shows' TV ratings than just RAW.

Thinking that internet streaming has no effect on the TV ratings is just as ignorant as thinking the TV ratings have no meaning at all.

I didn't say that it had no effect, I said the effect was overblown. Also, the people you know that stream it because they aren't at home, guess what...they also wouldn't be watching it on tv otherwise, because they aren't at home. So them steraming it doesn't impact the ratings.

You may know a few people that prefer to watch it later cause of commercials...I've never heard of that. Most people I know would want to watch it live.

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Originally Posted by Fanboi101

I didn't say that it had no effect, I said the effect was overblown. Also, the people you know that stream it because they aren't at home, guess what...they also wouldn't be watching it on tv otherwise, because they aren't at home. So them steraming it doesn't impact the ratings.

You may know a few people that prefer to watch it later cause of commercials...I've never heard of that. Most people I know would want to watch it live.

I completely agree. You actually get the system. I've watched a couple of Raws on one of the most popular streaming site, JTV and they barely get 9,000 views. Most of those people also claim that they do not have access to TV and couldn't have watched Raw anyways.

Internet TV streaming does affect the ratings a little bit, but you're right. It is pretty much overblown.