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Old 02-23-2012, 12:50 PM   #1381 (permalink)
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If ratings didn't matter, raw would be taPed ala impact to save production costs and wouldn't need to rely on cena all year to attract the casuals etc. course It matters, falling ratings coinciding with falling buy rates isn't a freak business occurance
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:52 PM   #1382 (permalink)
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Everything I say is based on the things Meltzer writes and facts in numbers. So no, he's not even close like he proved in the past.
Jesus christ.

Good to know you can form your own opinion.

Raw will be on TV regardless of the rating. It's the only wrestling show people care about and it's still a household name regardless. Instead of caring about the ratings right now, they should try and develop actual feuds. That's their problem.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:05 PM   #1383 (permalink)
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Without the TV deal, you can't promote anything, there would be no merchandise, no PPVs and no house show because nobody can see them. The business is based on the TV shows. USA are a big reason that is still with the head above water, they will never do close on a network like Spike or something. That's proven from the 2000 move and the jump in 2006.

To say that it's only sponsors is just plain wrong, and he obviously clueless and doesn't understand how this works in the company. WWE are booking the show from week to week based on ratings, everything they're doing in the show from the concept to the timeslots. Vince was in a panic mode for a month in October and gave the title to Cena because Del Rio did 2.7.

Ratings are everything, that's a fact. LOL@Meltzer out of touch, butthurt because he tells you the truth?
Yes, and Raw, like you ignored, consistently gets good ratings for a weekly broadcast for todays state of the T.V industry. Why do you think the USA network wants so many three hour Raws? And the almighty Melzter says Vince took the belt of Del Rio becuase of ratings? even though Del Rio was involved in the most watched segment of the night? Melzter knows a little more then you and I do, but you wont accept that as you piss away your money subscribing to his site.

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whatever just saying shit that interfered with viewership has been around way before the internet.
You cant just whatever that huge handicap on the T.V industry. Nothing has come close to interfering with viewership as the internet has.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:11 PM   #1384 (permalink)
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Good to know you can form your own opinion.
Why I need an opinion on a factual subject like this? There's no "opinion" in this situation, it's right or wrong and Vince himself will tell you how wrong it is.

This is what I meant, from a few months ago:
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There was no talk whatsoever about “Tough Enough,” which given they were talking about U.S. television
future, would indicate USA Network has decided to pass on doing a second season. However, McMahon
announced there is a plan in place to add a third live hour on Monday nights, starting at 8 p.m., that would
essentially be a Raw pre-game show. No date was given for the start, nor much in the way of details of
what the show would entail.

For the same reason, “Tough Enough” was a risk because even though the ratings were far stronger than
Ultimate Fighter going on at the same time, that wasn’t good enough for the USA Network, the No. 1 cable
network in prime time.

Any first-run show airing in prime time on the USA Network that has to do with pro wrestling, because pro
wrestling shows draw far lower ad revenues than the network dramas, can’t be a drain on the company’s
prime time average, which means anything below a 2.4 or a 2.5 rating is not going to last.

NCIS reruns usually do in the 2.7 range in that hour. When WWE does a three hour Raw, the first hour
usually does about the same 2.6 or 2.7. So they would have to maintain that level, and most likely there
will be no wrestling in that first hour but simply a build for Raw. In addition, those 2.6 or 2.7's usually came
with a big match in the first hour. They’d have to maintain a number like that weekly or the show would be
in danger. “Tough Enough” was well received, but in the end, it drew well below USA Network’s prime time
average.


Doing a show like that also indicates a lack of paying attention or ignoring of history at worst, or at best,
pretending previous history of the industry doesn’t apply to them. Nitro did the same thing in the late 90s
when it expanded to three hours and those in the company felt that was the kiss of death. And WCW had
far more talent depth at the time.

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^ And then a hole is thrown in your whole argument about ratings numbers being so horrible for RAW with that story b/c it says they are not doing a 2nd season of TE b/c of the ratings and plan to replace it with a 3rd hour of live WWE programming, which at best is only going to get ratings on par with Raw's if not lower than the 9 and 10 hrs or Raw. Why would USA want to put a 3rd hour of WWE programming on Monday nights if they were unhappy with Raw's current ratings? Nevermind I will just go ask Meltzer I usually find it better to just get the answer straight from the horses mouth.
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The DVR ratings are irrelevant anyway. Sponsors and advertisers dont care about DVR ratings because people watching on DVRs usually skip advertisements or fast forward through them.

TV ratings presented are all that matters.
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Jesus christ.

Good to know you can form your own opinion.

Raw will be on TV regardless of the rating. It's the only wrestling show people care about and it's still a household name regardless. Instead of caring about the ratings right now, they should try and develop actual feuds. That's their problem.
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isn't that how Raw got kicked out of Spike
Contract was over and they asked for more money. Spike was like "lol ratings" and WWE had to go to USA for half the money.
*not really lol ratings but something happened
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The DVR ratings are irrelevant anyway. Sponsors and advertisers dont care about DVR ratings because people watching on DVRs usually skip advertisements or fast forward through them.

TV ratings presented are all that matters.
When it comes to WWE, its not all that matters, and if it was WWE would be just fine as Raw is doing a solid job in the ratings department. Anyway I'm done explaining.
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A typical Meltzer, the hh-ratings are meaningless today.
USA looks at the viewership (total and demos) and not at the household numbers.
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And after a season, they look at the Live+7 and C3 numbers from the shows and make then a decision if the show will get another season or will cancelled.
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