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post #1371 of 9175 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 12:59 PM
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Comparing Raw ratings to the network average is kinda pointless, nobody is saying USA is gonna drop them but it is fair and meaningful to compare them to previous Raw ratings. For some people anyway, if ratings aren't important to you then nobody is forced to discuss them. It's pretty easy to avoid now seeing as there is one sticky thread for it


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I didn't hear his interview, but if he said that ratings don't matter, he's clueless(like 99% of the current WWE roster)with indy mentality and don't understand how business works, like he proved in the past so that's not surprising. it's a like an awkward dancer who blames the "curve floor" for his lack of talent. This is the TV business, ratings are everything, nothing is more important than ratings, especially in prime time on a channel like USA. The reason why you don't see another season of TE? ratings, because it was below the prime time average of USA. Meltzer wrote about it a few months ago(it's in this thread somewhere BTW)and said that no matter what on USA prime time below 2.6-2.7 is not going to last. And without USA, WWE today wouldn't do even 2.5 unless it's March, without TV, WWE is out of business. Simple as that.
He didn't say that they didn't matter. Punk said they only matter to the sponsors, which is true. They are the only ones that care how many people watch a show because they want to spend their money on shows that a lot of people watch. The ratings only make WWE money because the sponsors pay for their commercials to air.

I also don't understand what the "indy" mentality is and how that means Punk doesn't understand the business.

I also think that WWE is a lot more than a TV business. Between ticket sales, PPV buys, and all sorts of merchandise sales they have a lot of other sources of income. You could almost make the argument that the WWE just uses TV to get people to buy their PPVs and tickets to their shows. TV is free for the viewer and the WWE uses that to get as many as possible to spend money directly on their product.

And even if USA somehow went and dropped Raw WWE would still be on TV and I doubt they would have a hard time finding another channel to air Raw on. The fact that it's a show that gets millions of people to watch every single week makes it an appealing show for a network.
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I didn't hear his interview, but if he said that ratings don't matter, he's clueless(like 99% of the current WWE roster)with indy mentality and don't understand how business works, like he proved in the past so that's not surprising. it's a like an awkward dancer who blames the "curve floor" for his lack of talent. This is the TV business, ratings are everything, nothing is more important than ratings, especially in prime time on a channel like USA. The reason why you don't see another season of TE? ratings, because it was below the prime time average of USA. Meltzer wrote about it a few months ago(it's in this thread somewhere BTW)and said that no matter what on USA prime time below 2.6-2.7 is not going to last. And without USA, WWE today wouldn't do even 2.5 unless it's March, without TV, WWE is out of business. Simple as that.
Sigh. WWE is not just a tv show. And even If it was ratings for Raw are consistently good for a non stop weeky tv program. The reason ratings have decreased over the years is because of two major reasons 1. the internet 2. DVR. Dont take a 50 year old, out of touch Meltzer as the gospel. For someone who studies Media at university, ratings dont nearly matter as much as they once did. Its not the 90's anymore, its 90's anymore in terms of TE ROCK DA GWESTEST OF ALL TIME, LGER DEN LIFE CHARATER!!. And its not the 90's in terms of ratings either.

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lol at meltzer out of touch.

Back in the 90s you had cable black boxes, illegal Dish hookups and VCR
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lol at meltzer out of touch.

Back in the 90s you had cable black boxes, illegal Dish hookups and VCR
OH SHIT RATINGS DON"T MATTER

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This argument begins and ends with the development of the internet in the last ten years.

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Without the TV deal, you can't promote anything, there would be no merchandise, no PPVs and no house show because nobody can see them. The business is based on the TV shows. USA are a big reason that is still with the head above water, they will never do close on a network like Spike or something. That's proven from the 2000 move and the jump in 2006.

To say that it's only sponsors is just plain wrong, and he obviously clueless and doesn't understand how this works in the company. WWE are booking the show from week to week based on ratings, everything they're doing in the show from the concept to the timeslots. Vince was in a panic mode for a month in October and gave the title to Cena because Del Rio did 2.7.

Ratings are everything, that's a fact. LOL@Meltzer out of touch, butthurt because he tells you the truth?

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RockAE, I'm sure he knows more than you do.



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Ratings and television are 1 piece of the puzzle. They aren't the be all end all but they sure as fuck do matter. Everything stems from the actual television show Raw because without it they can't promote the stars to sell the tickets to the live shows, the feuds to sell the PPV's and the characters to sell the merchandise. Anybody claiming otherwise is just being stupid. The fact is, while the current system being used may not be truly reflective of authentic viewing patterns, it's still the system being used where billions of dollars are changing hands every day. It is what it is and it's the system every show is measured by. Until the system changes, that's just the way it is. Besides, were things actually going well you can bet your ass everybody would be marking and giving so and so all the credit. WWE themselves would be putting it in their Did You Know's every week too. But they aren't so people get critical and start placing blame. That's where all the trolling begins and the retarded conversations start. But to say they don't matter is flat out wrong.

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This argument begins and ends with the development of the internet in the last ten years.
whatever just saying shit that interfered with viewership has been around way before the internet.
As far as DVR is concerned those numbers are released by Meltzer. They take a while to come out so I never post them because of that and btw usually it's about 200k viewers overall that is lost due to DVR.

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RockAE, I'm sure he knows more than you do.
Everything I say is based on the things Meltzer writes and facts in numbers. So no, he's not even close like he proved in the past.
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