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Old 02-23-2012, 08:24 AM   #1361 (permalink)
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yeah, when he said are clueless about ratings and that there only there to please sponsers? which is true.

WWE is not just a T.V show. There are so many things like buyrates, Merchandise sales, DVD and media, ticket sales etc. Even Vince has stated that ratings arent a big deal to begin with, and he said that in fucking 1997 when WWE was not a puplic traded company.
Exactly! Ratings is just one of the 4 wheels for generating revenue in the wrestling business. Yet people conclude if one guy is a draw or not based on ratings only. Kinda stupid.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:26 AM   #1362 (permalink)
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Exactly! Ratings is just one of the 4 wheels for generating revenue in the wrestling business. Yet people conclude if one guy is a draw or not based on ratings only. Kinda stupid.
Stupid, Yes, but entertaining has hell to read!
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:10 AM   #1363 (permalink)
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Did anyone see that new CM Punk interview yet? When he mentioned people talking about ratings breakdowns, I couldn't help but think he meant this thread
They way he talked really made me feel that he does come to forum like these.Not only him but also it looks like Cena does the same.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:30 AM   #1364 (permalink)
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yeah, when he said are clueless about ratings and that there only there to please sponsers? which is true.

WWE is not just a T.V show. There are so many things like buyrates, Merchandise sales, DVD and media, ticket sales etc. Even Vince has stated that ratings arent a big deal to begin with, and he said that in fucking 1997 when WWE was not a puplic traded company.
Yea, and that was also when WWF was getting killed by WCW. I bet he didn't have a 'ratings don't matter' attitude when WWF was killing WCW and ratings were sky high during the attitude era. In fact, the 'attitude era' itself was a response to the WWF losing the ratings war to WCW. It funny how ratings only matter when they are good.

Plus, if you don't think ratings are related to buyrates, ticket sales, dvds etc you are crazy. The more people that are watching your product the more people will buy dvds, merch, tickets, ppvs. It's simple logic
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Yea, and that was also when WWF was getting killed by WCW. I bet he didn't have a 'ratings don't matter' attitude when WWF was killing WCW and ratings were sky high during the attitude era. In fact, the 'attitude era' itself was a response to the WWF losing the ratings war to WCW. It funny how ratings only matter when they are good.

Plus, if you don't think ratings are related to buyrates, ticket sales, dvds etc you are crazy. The more people that are watching your product the more people will buy dvds, merch, tickets, ppvs. It's simple logic
I agree with this person.
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Did anyone see that new CM Punk interview yet? When he mentioned people talking about ratings breakdowns, I couldn't help but think he meant this thread
I didn't hear his interview, but if he said that ratings don't matter, he's clueless(like 99% of the current WWE roster)with indy mentality and don't understand how business works, like he proved in the past so that's not surprising. it's a like an awkward dancer who blames the "curve floor" for his lack of talent. This is the TV business, ratings are everything, nothing is more important than ratings, especially in prime time on a channel like USA. The reason why you don't see another season of TE? ratings, because it was below the prime time average of USA. Meltzer wrote about it a few months ago(it's in this thread somewhere BTW)and said that no matter what on USA prime time below 2.6-2.7 is not going to last. And without USA, WWE today wouldn't do even 2.5 unless it's March, without TV, WWE is out of business. Simple as that.
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Old 02-23-2012, 11:36 AM   #1367 (permalink)
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Here are the average numbers for USA Network (Primetime) and Raw

2012 average

USA Network
Viewers: 2,752,857
A18-49: 1,005,857

Raw
Viewers: 4,492,438
A18-49: 2,239,001

Raw numbers are still great. Especially the a18-49 number, which is the important number for ad revenue.
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Here are the average numbers for USA Network (Primetime) and Raw

2012 average

USA Network
Viewers: 2,752,857
A18-49: 1,005,857

Raw
Viewers: 4,492,438
A18-49: 2,239,001

Raw numbers are still great. Especially the a18-49 number, which is the important number for ad revenue.
Exactly this, nobody is saying the ratings don't matter at all (ok maybe some people have said that but any half-way intelligent person wouldn't say ratings don't matter at all)

And Punk didn't say ratings don't matter at all he said people put WAY to much emphasis on them.Just like this forum; the importance some people in this thread put on them is borderline ridiculous.

Plus that USA netowrk prime time average has also probably dropped as well over the last year b/c television as a whole is a declining media with the internet becoming more and more prevalent year after year. But sorry I really don't want to take away from the EPIC AWFULNESS this thread creates so please continue.

Now I don't want my post misunderstood this is directed more at the people who are trying to claim the WWE is going out of business b/c of the ratings. IF you want to discuss ratings from last year vs ratings from this year (or whatever somparison) I don't ahve an issue with that at all, thats what this thread is for.
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Of course ratings are important, but they are not nearly as important as the IWC likes to try and make out.

Ratings go up and down, they grow and drop. Thats TV.
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Its really about what the USA Network is paying the WWE for each Raw show, and compare that to what kind of ad revenue the show brings into the USA Network.
For the network its always "Is the show worth the price they are paying?".

Only USA Network knows that.

I dont think they would ever dump WWE Raw altogether but I could see them paying less for each show.
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