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Old 02-16-2012, 12:52 PM   #1261 (permalink)
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I agree on this, HHH/Punk is 10 times more bigger and 10 times more important than Punk/Y2J. Y2J will put over Punk at WM and it still wont do anything for Punk's career. Period.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:05 PM   #1262 (permalink)
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Interesting point there. Look at the segments which gained incredible ratings. They are all storyline angles. Wrestling matches which feature the current WWE champion and World Heavyweight champion couldn't get the attention of fans.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:14 PM   #1263 (permalink)
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As is almost always the case, I agree; it is quite obvious that everyone watching Raw knew that these EC "preliminaries" carried absolutely no weight, no repercussions and fundamentally no point. They were the "filler" segments of the show, if we want to be blunt about it. Jericho/Kofi was at least a very decent match. Compared to almost everything else that happened on Raw this week (which is why, curiously enough, they sort of did deserve better numbers than what they received this week), I can barely remember Ziggler/Truth and Miz/Punk (I do remember Miz being given the jobber entrance, though).

Miz used to draw well. Hell, he could bring a gain with a lame Subway segment in the third quarter a mere six months ago. But WWE has been in overdrive tearing down everything they created with him a mere eleven months ago. Unbelievable.

I really don't know what they're going to do. I'm guessing they're hoping Sheamus can become the new cartoon hero babyface for kids on Smackdown and hopefully he can hold the fort there into spring, summer and beyond unlike Orton. Problem is, they aren't giving him a big star/draw to go over. But he seems to be over enough that he can at least potentially do well being Smackdown's top face this year, with persistent pushing.

Meanwhile, if they turn Cena, they're going to be attempting to stoke fan interest through that primarily, and at some point they'll probably have him chase Punk's championship. The ratings tend to go into the tank around May every year for a couple of weeks anyway, and I doubt they care about that too much.

Rock's supposed to return in the summer leading into Summerslam, so there's that.

I agree with you, though. This was the time to go for broke and push the button for CM Punk vs. Triple H at Wrestlemania with Punk going over clean.

With Miz and now with Punk, WWE has pushed guys right to the brink of becoming new legitimate stars, and then, just when they are about to start jumping over the final series of hurdles on their merry way, they trip them to send them flying headfirst into the ground.

I will say this. I'm kind of confident that if they turned Miz face later this year, he could become bigger in ratings revenue than Punk. He at least has a track record from the past of doing well in that realm of WWE's business, during the height of his heel days.

Punk generally needs substantive storylines, big stars and bundles of hype to gain any considerable number of viewers. At this time, he's essentially another Orton that at least (for the last seven months) sells merchandise like Cena.
LIke this post alot. And unless HHH is sticking around on TV as the new "corportate mega heel" after WM (and possibly a new heel Cena as HHH's choice for "corporate" champion) and they pick up the Punk/HHH program with Cena thrown in now to after Punk's done with Jericho I really don't see where they go after EC unless they are jsut figuring they will be fine putting Cena bac as the face that jsut wins and dominates the title scene again.

But the last few years the WWE has seemed sho short-sighted when it has come to their booking its really hard to imagine them even having any kind of plan for after WM.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:16 PM   #1264 (permalink)
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They weren't expecting Punk to blow up like he did which explains the horrific booking he received after Summerslam. They didn't know what to do with him. HHH/Taker was always the plan for Mania 28, I think we can all see that now. They decided to stick with their original plan and not do HHH/Punk because then Taker would have been left without an opponent for his 20th streak match. Of all the times for WWE to actually stick with being consistent and stick with long term booking, they do it at the one time where they should have deviated lol. Fuck this company!
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Considering the WM 27 match finish, it was pretty obvious HHH/Taker was always the plan.
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They weren't expecting Punk to blow up like he did which explains the horrific booking he received after Summerslam. They didn't know what to do with him. HHH/Taker was always the plan for Mania 28, I think we can all see that now. They decided to stick with their original plan and not do HHH/Punk because then Taker would have been left without an opponent for his 20th streak match. Of all the times for WWE to actually stick with being consistent and stick with long term booking, they do it at the one time where they should have deviated lol. Fuck this company!
They could've easily went with Jericho vs Taker. Make it seem like the videos were about Taker, then have Jericho fool the fans by coming out as Taker and challenge the Streak.
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They weren't expecting Punk to blow up like he did which explains the horrific booking he received after Summerslam. They didn't know what to do with him. HHH/Taker was always the plan for Mania 28, I think we can all see that now. They decided to stick with their original plan and not do HHH/Punk because then Taker would have been left without an opponent for his 20th streak match. Of all the times for WWE to actually stick with being consistent and stick with long term booking, they do it at the one time where they should have deviated lol. Fuck this company!
Well said here, Agree totally here that HHH/Taker 2 has been in the plans for the begininng and they only looked at the "Punk Shoot" as something to get them through the summer, its become clearly evident to me that they never expected Punk;s popularity to blow up like it did. But I seriously don't see why Jericho couldn't have been brought in to face Taker, hell he could've even used to same story/character as he is using in the Punk fued. Everyone is a Jericho wannabe/clone and he has returned to do the one thing that nobody has done/nobody will be able to copy, be the first man to beat Taker at WM.

But again, like I said before, its just the continuance of complete short-term thinking/booking by the WWE. They are hurting for new face stars, BAD and had a huge opportunity to possibly create one in Punk by having him go over HHH in a WM program but instead they go for the "bigger match" in HHH/Taker instead.
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Haha, true. Of course, the actual complex seedling of a storyline they had with Triple H as COO with the cryptic "Conspiracy" and Awesome Truth and Miz and Laurinaitis and who was pulling Johnny Ace's strings and who was really out to sabotage Punk and could Del Rio be the new Corporate Champion and when was Stephanie going to come back with a vengeance to derail Punk for what Punk did to her father and how he disrespected her and her husband and what was the Bigger Picture of Nexus and why did they bury The Undertaker and who the Anonymous GM was and how did that tie into Triple H as COO and why did Awesome Truth help both sides in the Triple H/Punk war at Night of Champions and why did they never develop the Punk/Trips relationship and why did Punk never get revenge on Nash and why did they have to have Nash and Triple H feud and did Nash really text himself and who brought Nash in and what kind of alliance did Laurinaitis create with Vickie Guerrero and was Dolph Ziggler being groomed all along to overthrow Punk and why was Laurinaitis so wishy-washy with Awesome Truth and are we all supposed to forgive the roster, the announcers and the cameramen for bailing on Triple H and was that leading anywhere and was there ever a "Conspiracy" in the first place and what could have happened if Triple H turned heel at some point this late fall/early winter or thereabouts and who is the girl in the Jericho videos and what kind of relationship does he have with Johnny Ace and is Jericho being deployed to take out Punk for a Higher Power and is Vince going to return and what if Stephanie were back so I could look at her was kind of all thrown in the fireplace, or so it seems.
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Haha, true. Of course, the actual complex seedling of a storyline they had with Triple H as COO with the cryptic "Conspiracy" and Awesome Truth and Miz and Laurinaitis and who was pulling Johnny Ace's strings and who was really out to sabotage Punk and could Del Rio be the new Corporate Champion and when was Stephanie going to come back with a vengeance to derail Punk for what Punk did to her father and how he disrespected her and her husband and what was the Bigger Picture of Nexus and why did they bury The Undertaker and who the Anonymous GM was and how did that tie into Triple H as COO and why did Awesome Truth help both sides in the Triple H/Punk war at Night of Champions and why did they never develop the Punk/Trips relationship and why did Punk never get revenge on Nash and why did they have to have Nash and Triple H feud and did Nash really text himself and who brought Nash in and what kind of alliance did Laurinaitis create with Vickie Guerrero and was Dolph Ziggler being groomed all along to overthrow Punk and why was Laurinaitis so wishy-washy with Awesome Truth and are we all supposed to forgive the roster, the announcers and the cameramen for bailing on Triple H and was that leading anywhere and was there ever a "Conspiracy" in the first place and what could have happened if Triple H turned heel at some point this late fall/early winter or thereabouts and who is the girl in the Jericho videos and what kind of relationship does he have with Johnny Ace and is Jericho being deployed to take out Punk for a Higher Power and is Vince going to return and what if Stephanie were back so I could look at her was kind of all thrown in the fireplace, or so it seems.
I think I may be losing my mind because this post actually made sense to me
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They went with HHH/Taker because HHH,cena are the only two who are believable to end the streak. Jericho vs Taker wont draw shit. Vince mcmahon desperately needs a million buys with all the mania promotion for an ENTIRE year, otherwise he would look like an idiot.

Besides Rock,cena tag match survivor series buys were not that impressive, so mania needs HHH/taker imo.
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