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Old 02-16-2012, 09:05 AM   #1251 (permalink)
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:13 AM   #1252 (permalink)
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Christ this thread hurts my brain!! It really is ridiculous that people attribute low segments to one person alone (especially if this is a person they dont like!) Punk is obviously not the best draw in the world atm, but he certainly isnt the worst by a long way! Lets face facts, who he is fighting is partly to blame for the low rating; Lets not forget that Miz has been buried over the last few weeks, he had a poor opening segment in the debate, he was the one that botched last week, he hasnt won a match for god knows how long - who would be overly interested in seeing a match with him at this present time esp when we consider that he was "apparently" responsible for low ratings and buy rates in the past!

If you look at it logically, Punk has been getting consistently decent (note i said decent not brilliant) figures over the last few weeks, and then all of a sudden he drops markedly this week? whats the difference? in previous weeks there has been a storyline, something to grab the interest of the viewer (champion vs champion, lauranitis, jericho etc) this week? a random pre EC match with someone who people seem to have little interest in!! He has been booked terribly, in my opinion, since he became champion again, there has been very few storylines to get interested in, although i am of the opinion he would be better dropping the title as he seems better when hes chasing rather than holding the title

Oh btw, for saying this is a pretty anti Cena forum, who do you think they will go with if they decide Punk isnt drawing therefore should drop the title? For those who think it will be Jericho youre living in a dreamworld! Hes leaving not long after WM so why will they give him the title in the long run? he will probably get it for the month run up to EM and thats it! Yep, it will go back to Mr "ratings" (this is partly sarcastic) John Cena! And lets see the forum explode with rage if that happens!!!

Now i will get off this thread before my brain explodes with annoyance over some of the stupid, illogical posts on here
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The overrun mainevent of last weeks show drew a 3.4 which Punk was involved in and got top billing for.

The overrun segment of this weeks which had longer overun benefitting it only drew a 3.14 rating

So Punk is partly responsible for the higher rating last week. And yes he is partly responsible for the low rating this week. I just cant stand the short term memory loss peopel have on this thread where a man who cosistently drew good and healthy numbers for weeks has been immediately discounted because of the bad numbers he drew in one show.

This doesnt even make sense. If punk is responsible for the increase then how come the next week he loses viewers in two different segments the same night?

Punk is not the rock, there is no way he can be responsible for viewership increase. It was probably because of no competition on that night.


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Christ this thread hurts my brain!! It really is ridiculous that people attribute low segments to one person alone (especially if this is a person they dont like!) Punk is obviously not the best draw in the world atm, but he certainly isnt the worst by a long way! Lets face facts, who he is fighting is partly to blame for the low rating; Lets not forget that Miz has been buried over the last few weeks, he had a poor opening segment in the debate, he was the one that botched last week, he hasnt won a match for god knows how long - who would be overly interested in seeing a match with him at this present time esp when we consider that he was "apparently" responsible for low ratings and buy rates in the past!

If you look at it logically, Punk has been getting consistently decent (note i said decent not brilliant) figures over the last few weeks, and then all of a sudden he drops markedly this week? whats the difference? in previous weeks there has been a storyline, something to grab the interest of the viewer (champion vs champion, lauranitis, jericho etc) this week? a random pre EC match with someone who people seem to have little interest in!! He has been booked terribly, in my opinion, since he became champion again, there has been very few storylines to get interested in, although i am of the opinion he would be better dropping the title as he seems better when hes chasing rather than holding the title

Oh btw, for saying this is a pretty anti Cena forum, who do you think they will go with if they decide Punk isnt drawing therefore should drop the title? For those who think it will be Jericho youre living in a dreamworld! Hes leaving not long after WM so why will they give him the title in the long run? he will probably get it for the month run up to EM and thats it! Yep, it will go back to Mr "ratings" (this is partly sarcastic) John Cena! And lets see the forum explode with rage if that happens!!!

Now i will get off this thread before my brain explodes with annoyance over some of the stupid, illogical posts on here
Actually The Miz was drawing good numbers, better than WWE champion punk, until WWE creative mauled him. Even as part of awesome truth he drew around 400k in his segments while punk was still struggling to draw.
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This doesnt even make sense. If punk is responsible for the increase then how come the next week he loses viewers in two different segments the same night?

Punk is not the rock, there is no way he can be responsible for viewership increase. It was probably because of no competition on that night.




Actually The Miz was drawing good numbers, better than WWE champion punk, until WWE creative mauled him. Even as part of awesome truth he drew around 400k in his segments while punk was still struggling to draw.
Lol. Miz had Cena and than he had the rock, this is just stupid.
Punk was going against nobody's so it's easy for you to say that.
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:01 AM   #1255 (permalink)
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Actually The Miz was drawing good numbers, better than WWE champion punk, until WWE creative mauled him. Even as part of awesome truth he drew around 400k in his segments while punk was still struggling to draw.
The fact is at this moment Miz has been buried by creative, hes not a person that i imagine the casual viewer would be that interested in seeing!! (remember i said atm) Im no Miz hater and ive stuck up for him in many a thread recently, but im just not interested in him atm, hes lost every match hes been in recently, his mic work is poor so the result of the match up with Punk was a foregone conclusion imo, i watched it with casual interest but thats all because i knew what was going to happen! In fact none of the in ring segments interested me this week, the best bits of raw were the promos and the drama of Cena et al and that is reflected in the main in the segment breakdown; The in ring stuff was treated as an afterthought this week imo

Also, as i said Punks segments have been drawing pretty well since the new year - until this week! and i reiterate this is down to the fact this was a random pairing, with no back story, with a guy who has been made to be irrelevant by creative, against a guy who everyone knows will feud with Jericho at the EC and post EC so why would i care about that match at all?

Edit: every in ring segment except Orton vs big show lost viewers this week

a) does this mean that Orton = Ratings? (despite what people say)
b) does this show that in ring stuff is becoming more and more irrelevant as time goes on

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really? isn't punk the superstar that wwe is having doubts over due to bad ratings? ahahaha
punk cant draw get over it, i'm simply stating the truth, plus what's the appeal with a skinny tatted up hobo who doesn't sleep and make's bad jokes
Than explain to me how did the ratings for the last 3 weeks increased in Punk segments. Why will I get over something when it's not true.
The last segment for this week increased because it had a good storyline, and the HBK/Triple h increased because people thought undertaker will come plus it was a great segment no jobbers included. And who the hell wants to see Miz in the ring simple answer. Crappy jokes my ass the casual love those jokes here in the IWC are mad like if the jokes are necessarily for them it's not crappy to me I enjoy it, haters don't so even if it was a funny joke they will still hate on it because its from Punk when actually dwayne has the same corny jokes. Punk doesn't sleep so what is that an insult well hes the wwe champion he's always busy. Punk is 6'2 he's not small.
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Quarter 1: Show opened at a 2.9
Q2: Lost 49,000 viewers (Chris Jericho vs. Kofi Kingston)
Q3: Lost 24,000 viewers (Backstage shenanigans with John Cena and Zack Ryder; John Laurinaitis and David Otunga)
Q4: Gained 93,000 viewers (Big Show vs. Randy Orton)
Q5: Gained 822,000 (return of Michaels, Triple H, Undertaker video) to take the show to a 3.6
Q6: Lost 621,000 viewers (Dolph Ziggler vs. R-Truth)
Q7: Lost 320,000 viewers (Tamina Snuka vs. Brie Bella; Eve walking into the back of an ambulance & ensuing snog with Cena)
Q8: Lost 139,000 viewers (C.M. Punk vs. The Miz) to do a 2.8.
Over-run: Gained 505,000 (Kane zooming Ryder off a 3ft stage) viewers to close out on a 3.1.
I knew these quarter hours were going to be interesting and they haven't disappointed lol.

First of all, opening at 2.9 is just flat out bad no matter what way you spin it and doesn't show good signs of peoples interest in the PPV this Sunday at all. The fact that all 3 matches containing the EC participants lost viewers too and well, I don't think VKM is going to be too happy come the buyrates for EC. HHH/HBK was obviously the high point of the night with a pretty big fucking gain of 800k plus. That's great and better than I was expecting tbh, especially considering the terrible overall viewership for this show. For them to be able to pull that many in again is quite the feat.

I think it has to be said that were the positions reversed, I have no doubt that HHH/HBK would have done just as well opening the show and the debate would have done just as bad in the 10pm slot for the simple reason that nobody in the EC match is capable of drawing big numbers on their own and HHH is no matter who he's with. I think this also shows the importance of having more than a handful of legit megastar level draws on the roster. Right now they're basically relying on HHH, Taker and Cena to carry the load. Just watch what happens, probably starting from next week, when Rock and possibly Shaq/Show starts etc. They will have enough star power to open the show, to put on at 10pm and to close the show with and therefore overall viewership will be a lot higher. Right now they're only able to score big in 1 out of the big 3 timeslots because they only have enough guys for one slot basically.

As for all this Punk/Miz whining. Is anybody really that surprised? I mean come on. Neither of them are able to do good numbers without a bigger star and their matches over the past few months have done terrible. Granted, it's still pretty shitty that that many people would tune out at that particular time in the show but still. They've never done well together and they bombed here.

I seriously do worry for WWE after Wrestlemania tbh. What are they going to do when Rock, Taker, HHH and whoever else are all gone? No new legit stars are going to be created at Mania this year. They're still going to be stuck relying on Cena's star power alone which is fading with every passing month it seems. They are seriously going to be fucked which is why I honestly don't get why they aren't doing HHH/Punk right now. I mean fucking hell. Can't they see how much trouble they're going to be in after Extreme Rules? Nobody gives a shit about anybody on that roster right now bar the people already named. It's all well and good for Punk to sell t-shirts. Hell, he can sell as many shirts as he wants but so long as that doesn't translate into ratings revenue, live gates at house shows and PPV buys, he'll never reach the next level and WWE will be forced to keep relying on the stars of the past to make money.
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I seriously do worry for WWE after Wrestlemania tbh. What are they going to do when Rock, Taker, HHH and whoever else are all gone? No new legit stars are going to be created at Mania this year. They're still going to be stuck relying on Cena's star power alone which is fading with every passing month it seems. They are seriously going to be fucked which is why I honestly don't get why they aren't doing HHH/Punk right now. I mean fucking hell. Can't they see how much trouble they're going to be in after Extreme Rules? Nobody gives a shit about anybody on that roster right now bar the people already named. It's all well and good for Punk to sell t-shirts. Hell, he can sell as many shirts as he wants but so long as that doesn't translate into ratings revenue, live gates at house shows and PPV buys, he'll never reach the next level and WWE will be forced to keep relying on the stars of the past to make money.
What's really galling is that this "I'm gonna do what's right for business, fuck what the fans and the wrestlers themselves want" Triple H would have been the perfect heel for Punk.
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Triple h-Punk should have been a MANIA program from the start. They hot-shotted the entire thing and ruined it.
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As for all this Punk/Miz whining. Is anybody really that surprised? I mean come on. Neither of them are able to do good numbers without a bigger star and their matches over the past few months have done terrible. Granted, it's still pretty shitty that that many people would tune out at that particular time in the show but still. They've never done well together and they bombed here.

I seriously do worry for WWE after Wrestlemania tbh. What are they going to do when Rock, Taker, HHH and whoever else are all gone? No new legit stars are going to be created at Mania this year.
As is almost always the case, I agree; it is quite obvious that everyone watching Raw knew that these EC "preliminaries" carried absolutely no weight, no repercussions and fundamentally no point. They were the "filler" segments of the show, if we want to be blunt about it. Jericho/Kofi was at least a very decent match. Compared to almost everything else that happened on Raw this week (which is why, curiously enough, they sort of did deserve better numbers than what they received this week), I can barely remember Ziggler/Truth and Miz/Punk (I do remember Miz being given the jobber entrance, though).

Miz used to draw well. Hell, he could bring a gain with a lame Subway segment in the third quarter a mere six months ago. But WWE has been in overdrive tearing down everything they created with him a mere eleven months ago. Unbelievable.

I really don't know what they're going to do. I'm guessing they're hoping Sheamus can become the new cartoon hero babyface for kids on Smackdown and hopefully he can hold the fort there into spring, summer and beyond unlike Orton. Problem is, they aren't giving him a big star/draw to go over. But he seems to be over enough that he can at least potentially do well being Smackdown's top face this year, with persistent pushing.

Meanwhile, if they turn Cena, they're going to be attempting to stoke fan interest through that primarily, and at some point they'll probably have him chase Punk's championship. The ratings tend to go into the tank around May every year for a couple of weeks anyway, and I doubt they care about that too much.

Rock's supposed to return in the summer leading into Summerslam, so there's that.

I agree with you, though. This was the time to go for broke and push the button for CM Punk vs. Triple H at Wrestlemania with Punk going over clean.

With Miz and now with Punk, WWE has pushed guys right to the brink of becoming new legitimate stars, and then, just when they are about to start jumping over the final series of hurdles on their merry way, they trip them to send them flying headfirst into the ground.

I will say this. I'm kind of confident that if they turned Miz face later this year, he could become bigger in ratings revenue than Punk. He at least has a track record from the past of doing well in that realm of WWE's business, during the height of his heel days.

Punk generally needs substantive storylines, big stars and bundles of hype to gain any considerable number of viewers. At this time, he's essentially another Orton that at least (for the last seven months) sells merchandise like Cena.
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