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CM Punk is a horrible babyface!!

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#1 ·
Every punk mark in this board needs to face the fact that CM PUNK IS FUCKING HORRIBLE AS A BABYFACE!!!

Lets face it, All the attention Punk ever gained is completely because of his shoot. The truth is, any superstar from the roster could have garnered the same attention, if allowed to shoot on Vince & WWE. Ofcourse Promo quality might not be the same but it would still gain the same attention from the fans.

And Since punk's feud with Cena & HHH has ended,

-He hasnt even been remotely entertaining.
-His promos have been horrible especially the one with christian.
-He doesnt draw ratings.
-He destroyed ADR's character on LIVE TV which was completely unnecessary.
-He is always catering to the Smarks in his promos & his actions.
-Behaving like a teenager with stupid facial expressions when someone is responding to him.
-He is 33 & yet he doesnt know how to present himself as a superstar or as a champion.
-He is not a badass like Austin or even Sheamus of this generation & apparently with the skinny looks he got, he can never be one.
-Sold out to Vince Mcmahon probably because of a lucrative contract.
-Highly Overrated by the IWC.

& yet for some reason all the punk marks in this board are marking out everytime he opens his mouth.


To Quote HHH : "CM punk is a attention seeking guy that puts a little bit too much stock into his own hype."


I am not Punk hater BTW, I am just saying he is absolutely horrible as a babyface & extremely overrated by the IWC. Punk is a talented superstar but apparently it only shows when he is a heel.
 
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#103 ·
So let me get this straight....people are talking about how bad of a draw Punk is right? How he doesn't pull in ratings like his fan base seems to be asking for? They say to look at Money in the Bank (which was an increase regardless) and Summerslam as examples. Now here's where my confusion comes in. Punk was facing John Cena, the face of the company. Why is it Punk that is supposed to pull in the numbers when clearly Cena is the main guy. Punk is just the next big thing. No, that doesn't mean he needs to be drawing numbers yet. Punk has been around for years and all he did was excite the same fan base he has had the entire time. They never tried to really get the attention of the rest of the fan base (He was still being booed by Cena fans). Watch Raw this past Monday? Cena came out to a amixture of boes, Punk came out to an enormous pop with his name loudly chanted throughout the building. It is a slow build.

Here's an example: Rob Van Dam was one of if not the most over guy in the WWE at one time. Was he drawing or any of that? No, because people are confusing being extremely over and being a draw. For fucks sake, if Punk isn't a draw, neither is Cena. They are on the same show!

Watching Raw, I don't see Punk as the focus of the show. Cena has been main eventing forever. When he isn't in the title picture, he is still the focus (Nexus, Miz-Truth). So why would ratings change when we are back to the status quo? It's not like Punk never went after a WWE or World Title in the past for this to be particularly interesting.

Now I saw some other lame remarks saying Punk shouldn't be in the title picture because of his 3 month losing streak. Now did you not watch the promo where John Laur. brought that lil fact up? Prolly just ignored it for the sake of being a tool. Punk never got his one on one rematch for the title, but Cena had two separate ones bypassing Punk.

Buried Del Rio? I read somewhere here that it is similar to a movie where the actor turns to the camera and says "he cant act" before a big fight. Now that is horseshit. Punk said Del Rio is repetitive and boring as Champion. He then said he was a tremendous athlete (which is similar to the actor part except he commended him for it). People have been saying that Del Rio cuts the same promo over and over but when Punk brings it up to play mind games he is out of line? Del Rio even got the heat back by attacking Punk and putting him through a table. I thought Cena's line about Del Rio not really owning any of his cars (them being rentals) is more of a tarnish of the aristocrat character since it led to nothing beyond that.

sorry for the long and sometimes condescending post, but damn, some people...
 
#106 · (Edited)
So let me get this straight....people are talking about how bad of a draw Punk is right? How he doesn't pull in ratings like his fan base seems to be asking for? They say to look at Money in the Bank (which was an increase regardless) and Summerslam as examples. Now here's where my confusion comes in. Punk was facing John Cena, the face of the company. Why is it Punk that is supposed to pull in the numbers when clearly Cena is the main guy. Punk is just the next big thing. No, that doesn't mean he needs to be drawing numbers yet. Punk has been around for years and all he did was excite the same fan base he has had the entire time. They never tried to really get the attention of the rest of the fan base (He was still being booed by Cena fans). Watch Raw this past Monday? Cena came out to a amixture of boes, Punk came out to an enormous pop with his name loudly chanted throughout the building. It is a slow build.

Let me explain this in a simple way..


Cena Vs Orton or HHH Vs Orton = Big buyrates & Bigger ratings.

Cena Vs punk/ HHH vs Punk = Bad numbers.... bad for business.

Punk is the one who has been pushed to the moon for three whole months since his shoot, he was suppose to bring in new viewers which he failed.

hence Punk is not a draw.


but i would agree it is indeed a slow build. For now though, dont make excuses & just accept the fact that he doesnt draw!

Here's an example: Rob Van Dam was one of if not the most over guy in the WWE at one time. Was he drawing or any of that? No, because people are confusing being extremely over and being a draw. For fucks sake, if Punk isn't a draw, neither is Cena. They are on the same show!
Cena is a proven draw. Punk is not! Reaction at the arena is =/= draw.

Watching Raw, I don't see Punk as the focus of the show. Cena has been main eventing forever. When he isn't in the title picture, he is still the focus (Nexus, Miz-Truth). So why would ratings change when we are back to the status quo? It's not like Punk never went after a WWE or World Title in the past for this to be particularly interesting.

What show were you watching? WWE title feud is not always the main event.
Until night of champions, punk was the entire focus of the show.

"So why would ratings change when we are back to the status quo?"

Ratings never went up in the first place, even after his legendary 6/27 promo, so i dont understand how you can blame it on "status quo".


Buried Del Rio? I read somewhere here that it is similar to a movie where the actor turns to the camera and says "he cant act" before a big fight. Now that is horseshit. Punk said Del Rio is repetitive and boring as Champion. He then said he was a tremendous athlete (which is similar to the actor part except he commended him for it). People have been saying that Del Rio cuts the same promo over and over but when Punk brings it up to play mind games he is out of line? Del Rio even got the heat back by attacking Punk and putting him through a table. I thought Cena's line about Del Rio not really owning any of his cars (them being rentals) is more of a tarnish of the aristocrat character since it led to nothing beyond that.

I am pretty sure your reaction would be completely different if someone called punk out on his weaknesses.

He is a horrible babyface for example.. how about someone say that to his face on live tv?
 
#144 ·
I'm sorry I'm not going to read through 11 pages of incoherent nonsense and rambling on this board. Most of it is dribble and part of a larger reason why society is going down the toilet at a rapid pace...but anyway, I apologize if this has been stated before but...

I have seen at least 3 or 4 posts stating that CM PUNK'S MOMENTUM IS GOING DOWN!!!!

What? Since when? i mean yeah he's not coming out and doing half shoot promos on people but if anything, his reactions have gotten strong with the WWE fanbase. Sure not on this board...but we know how a lot of posters on this board are. If you are a face you aren't liked.

But Punk has an advantage over Cena. He now has the little jimmys on his side. Before...if you listened to the crowd reaction...Punk was half cheered half booed, just like one John Cena. Now...complete cheers. Why? because he appeals to teenage and older males. Because he's himself...even if he is kind of a dick...he's unique to the brand and definitely the opposite of lame smile stupid joke aw shucks routine that Cena does. Punk is just scratching the surface...and the " they couldn't build Rome in a day" argument does hold weight. The example being Stone Cold. He was around 18 months before WWE broke a 4.0. Don't believe me? research it.
 
#8 ·
I am not Punk hater BTW.
Are you sure?

I am a Punk fan, and I agree with the fact that he is a much better heel than face, and the "babyface" role is not for him. But he can play a face (just not a super babyface) just fine. Whether you (or anybody else) likes it, it looks like the WWE is gearing up their marketing machine behind Punk as a face of their company.

I think you may need to face that fact that you are indeed now a Punk hater. Nothing wrong with being a Punk hater at all, you have the right to like/dislike whomever you want. But don't try to deflect the flame you are going to be getting from Punk fans by trying to say your not a Punk hater, stand behind your hatred of Punk.

Off topic a little now, I find it funny that the a large % of the IWC has been clamoring for years about how the product is crap and the WWE should do "this" and "that". Now the WWE finally has an angle and an actual character on their show where they admit "on-air" alot of the things we say here on the boards and it took about 4 months for 50% of the IWC to "shit" on it.
 
#13 ·
Are you sure?

I am a Punk fan, and I agree with the fact that he is a much better heel than face, and the "babyface" role is not for him. But he can play a face (just not a super babyface) just fine. Whether you (or anybody else) likes it, it looks like the WWE is gearing up their marketing machine behind Punk as a face of their company.

I think you may need to face that fact that you are indeed now a Punk hater. Nothing wrong with being a Punk hater at all, you have the right to like/dislike whomever you want. But don't try to deflect the flame you are going to be getting from Punk fans by trying to say your not a Punk hater, stand behind your hatred of Punk.

Off topic a little now, I find it funny that the a large % of the IWC has been clamoring for years about how the product is crap and the WWE should do "this" and "that". Now the WWE finally has an angle and an actual character on their show where they admit "on-air" alot of the things we say here on the boards and it took about 4 months for 50% of the IWC to "shit" on it.
No & No.

I am honestly not a hater of Punk & Not trying to hide from anything. Deflect the flame? lol Yeah On the internet... bring it!!
 
#11 ·
None of your bullet points stating why Cm Punk is a horrible babyface, applies to him being a babyface. I am confused :(

I think he plays a better heel than he does a face, but he is still a great face, imo. It's nice to see a character like his. It's refreshing to me.
 
#19 ·
Agreed. this thread seems like a "Why I hate punk" as opposed to "his persona is bad for the business of the WWE"

Here's why he's a good babyface
Shirt=Hotcakes
My final point, which i'm really surprised no one has said in these ADR burial threads is that being in the ME card is basically saying that your are very good in-ring and on the mic. These are the "best" mic workers in the WWE. If one promo buries your character,then you really didn't deserve to be there. I've heard much worse things that haven't even dented a stronger character...Anything the Rock says, Edge's "You Suck" promo to Angle, Chris Jericho's ass-clown promo. The list goes on. It's not a bad thing for faces to humiliate heels, the heels just need the presence to take it.

His promos are accepted. PIPEBOMB. Is there anyone else in the WWE that gets a pop when they bring the mic to their mouths without even saying anything yet?...no
 
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#16 ·
-He hasnt even been remotely entertaining.

That's your opinion, personally I've found him very entertaining. His bit with HHH after the walkout and being allowed back on commentary was great.

-His promos have been horrible especially the one with christian.


Again your opinion not fact.

-He doesnt draw ratings.

Rome wasn't built in a day, and the one storyline that was based almost entirely around him did draw quite well.

-He destroyed ADR's character on LIVE TV which was completely unnecessary.

He has a gimmick of saying what everyone else is thinking, even casuals would have noticed that Del Rio seems to mention destiny every time he has a mic.

-He is always catering to the Smarks in his promos & his actions.


Because they're the people that have been behind him since the start, why not try to keep them onside?

-Behaving like a teenager with stupid facial expressions when someone is responding to him.

John Cena does this all the time and is their biggest babyface.

-He is 33 & yet he doesnt know how to present himself as a superstar or as a champion.

Jorts and baseball caps are any better?

-He is not a badass like Austin or even Sheamus of this generation & apparently with the skinny looks he got, he can never be one.

Does he need to be?

-Sold out to Vince Mcmahon probably because of a lucrative contract.

Explain how he sold out?

-Highly Overrated by the IWC.

Possibly, but again that is mainly your opinion. Of late a large proportion of people on here seem to think he's terrible and bad for business.
 
#24 ·
He hasn't changed much. He was edgier as a heel, but that's about it. He's still a cocky prick who's totally full of himself. He definitely isn't horrible, that's for sure. And his popularity is rising every minute, so for anyone who doesn't like babyface Punk, get used to it.

Future face of the company.
 
#25 ·
He hasn't changed much. He was edgier as a heel, but that's about it. He's still a cocky prick who's totally full of himself. He definitely isn't horrible, that's for sure. And his popularity is rising every minute, so for anyone who doesn't like babyface Punk, get used to it.

Future face of the company.
He Wont be if he continues this way every week.
 
#44 ·
His promo content on RAW was terrible, it's his material because they would not write this crap for him, not only he broke kayfabe again for no reason and talked about Del Rio's character, he also said that people watch RAW on DVR and that the title is nothing, you can't say that no matter what, that was horrendous promo and Punk just doesn't know how to write this, he thinks that the 10% of his indy geeks fans are the majority of the audience, too many "inside references" for no reason, they just need to write for him because he clearly don't know what he's doing, this has nothing to do with me not being a Punk fan, I'm not a fan of Del Rio but this stuff is terrible in every aspect, for the characters and for the company.

He's also a huge hypocrite and fucked up character in the worst way, just like Cena, he talks about Christian's "bitching", about repetitive promos etc.
completely agree on the stupid facial expressions, just like "real names", he thinks he's cool, he's 33 and acts like he's 20, no sympathy for this guy, impossible.
 
#47 ·
His promo content on RAW was terrible, it's his material because they would not write this crap for him, not only he broke kayfabe again for no reason and talked about Del Rio's character, he also said that people watch RAW on DVR and that the title is nothing, you can't say that no matter what, that was horrendous promo and Punk just doesn't know how to write this, he thinks that the 10% of his indy geeks fans are the majority of the audience, too many "inside references" for no reason, they just need to write for him because he clearly don't know what he's doing, this has nothing to do with me not being a Punk fan, I'm not a fan of Del Rio but this stuff is terrible in every aspect, for the characters and for the company.

He's also a huge hypocrite and fucked up character in the worst way, just like Cena, he talks about Christian's "bitching", about repetitive promos etc, completely agree on the stupid facial expressions, just like "real names", he thinks he's cool, he's 33 and acts like he's 20, no sympathy for this guy, impossible.
Too be honest he is the main reason as to why I still watch wwe I and many others find him entertaining, and he is the best on the mic and in the ring in the current roster. Deal with it
 
#51 ·
Mission Accomplished WWE, you have found a new face:

The IWC has turned on punk which means: he's doing something right for the mainstream.


The IWC can be summarized like this

Public Class Wrestler
Wrestling.Exists=1
While Wrestling.Exists=1 do{
If Heel then{
Jizz on pants;
Post as if wrestler was relevant like hell;
}

Else {
Wrestler is either a spotmonkey, a sellout or a jobber;
}
}
 
#60 ·
Beat me to this point.

Punk is a better heel, but he is a good face to, and the fact threads like this keep popping up. means he become a very effective face for the WWE.

His merch is selling and his crowd reactions are getting better each week. Sorry he is going to be a face for a long time IMO.

Now if your opinion is that he is unentertaining as a face thats fine, I am personally finding his current persona entertaining, difference of opinions are fine.

But what some people aren't understanding here is that CM Punk is unentertaining as a face is not a FACT it is an opinion.
 
#94 ·
I agree with the OP that Punk is better at playing a heel character, but he is far from horrible as a babyface. I judge the ability of a wrestler to play a face or heel by the crowd reaction. That's really the best way, because your opinion can be one thing, and the entire crowd can be thinking another. And while you're not wrong, the masses have more of a say than any one fan.

CM Punk gets a huge pop every night when he comes out and gets constant "CM Punk" chants throughout his promos and matches; these are the characteristics of a successful face wrestler.
 
#4 ·
"By the IWC?" So I guess you're talking about yourself too, right?
 
#6 ·
Btw, when ADR attacked backstage and tossed him with one arm onto the table, was that genuine or did Punk lift himself up?

If it was genuine then Punk seriously needs to hit the gym and put on some size.

Probably HHH can help him get into the right physique for a top guy in the business :cool:
 
#14 ·
is it just me or did those punches look real from Del Rio when he was attacking Punk backstage.
 
#15 ·
CM PUNK = BEST IN THE WORLD....haters gon' hate....DEAL WITH IT OP!
 
#22 ·
CM Punk can't be turned. He's over in any circumstance right now.

I'm not a fan of the Voice of Voiceless gimmick. He takes IWC criticism and hurls them at his opponent. It's highly overrated, and really only works on guys who have been heavily promoted for years like Triple H, Nash and Cena.

That being said, he is over and his fanbase and reactions are getting stronger by the week now. The Rock and his catch phrases wasn't everyone's cup of tea either.
 
#29 ·
Every punk mark in this board needs to face the fact that CM PUNK IS FUCKING HORRIBLE AS A BABYFACE!!!

Lets face it, All the attention Punk ever gained is completely because of his shoot. The truth is, any superstar from the roster could have garnered the same attention, if allowed to shoot on Vince & WWE. Ofcourse Promo quality might not be the same but it would still gain the same attention from the fans.

And Since punk's feud with Cena & HHH has ended,

-He hasnt even been remotely entertaining.
-His promos have been horrible especially the one with christian.
-He doesnt draw ratings.
-He destroyed ADR's character on LIVE TV which was completely unnecessary.
-He is always catering to the Smarks in his promos & his actions.
-Behaving like a teenager with stupid facial expressions when someone is responding to him.-He is 33 & yet he doesnt know how to present himself as a superstar or as a champion.
-He is not a badass like Austin or even Sheamus of this generation & apparently with the skinny looks he got, he can never be one.
-Sold out to Vince Mcmahon probably because of a lucrative contract.
-Highly Overrated by the IWC.

& yet for some reason all the punk marks in this board are marking out everytime he opens his mouth.


To Quote HHH : "CM punk is a attention seeking guy that puts a little bit too much stock into his own hype."


I am not Punk hater BTW, I am just saying he is absolutely horrible as a babyface & extremely overrated by the IWC. Punk is a talented superstar but apparently it only shows when he is a heel.
I agree with the point about the annoying expressions. His smugness is really off-putting and I'm finding it harder every week to get behind him.

I disagree with or don't give a shit about all of your other bullet points. I don't care about ratings, drawing ability or IWC love and I have no problem with the way he called out Del Rio's one dimensional personality on Monday. Hopefully it will inspire ADR to up his game (on the mic, he's already fantastic in the ring).
 
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