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Re: Could randy orton be in the top 10 greatest wwe superstars of all time??

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What Benoit did is deplorable, yes, but his actions have nothing to do with his contributions to pro wrestling, so I try to judge Benoit's wrestling career without prejudice. O.J. Simpson was a murderer (allegedly), but he's still a Hall of Fame running back.
Fair enough, you can judge it like that. Still, even if Benoit hadn't have done what he did, Cena would be ahead of him in my list.
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when orton career is over, do you think he can reach this level?'?
nope never
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nope never
Bit of a bold statement seeing as Orton is still only 30, which is younger than the likes of Sheamus which when you think about it is frightening considering everything Orton has already accomplished in his career. Orton still has at least another 10 years in him as long as he doesn't get injured. He's just getting started out as a face in his 'Viper' gimmick and is red hot right now. Lets see how he deals with his inevitable title run as a face and then make definite judgements.

Anyhow I guess it is okay that you make such bold statements since if you are proved to be wrong, no one will ever know.
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I don't believe you can put orton in top 10 wrestlers of all time. I think he barely cracks the top 20. Sorry to disappoint alot on here. I am a mark for orton but there are so many so much better

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Say what???? Who the blue hell cares who interests you or not??? This is an unbiased answer. Not who gives you a woody everytime he comes out. This is just an idiotic post.
its not there isnt a correct list, its all based on personal preference, so don't try and pass your opinion off ass fact asshole. something thats a fact is today is Tuesday or my shirt is blue. Damn near any list is opinion certainly one with the word best in it. best and fact don't go together at all so spare me the headache.

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Well allow me to come to my senses with everyone else then!

1. Funaki
2. Taka Michinoku
3. Tajiri
4. X-Pac
5. Val Venis
6. Gangrel
7. The Oddities
8. Hardcore Holly
9. Doink The Clown
10. SantinA Marella(Santino's sister)
We have a winner here!

I guess since everyone else is doing it, I guess I'll try my best to make my own top 10 list (with explanations for my choices included):

10. Goldberg - A lot of people will disagree with this, but the guy was over as hell, and he is unique as the only new star WCW produced during the entire duration of the Monday Night Wars. I think many people should think back to mid-late 1998 and remember where WCW was at the time and the state of professional wrestling in general. This guy was a phenomenon, with only the WWF's Stone Cold Steve Austin rivaling him in popularity. Had Goldberg developed his character and abilities, the guy could have been a legend.

9. John Cena - Many people don't believe Cena is "top 10" material just yet, but having been the poster boy of the WWE for 5+ years and counting, I believe he more than qualifies as one of the greatest of all time. Aside from memorable feuds with Edge and Randy Orton, as well as a number of good to great matches, Cena's biggest asset is the kids (and their moms). Whether you like it or not, people pay to see this man. They have been for at least 5 years now, and will continue to do so for many more years to come, guaranteed.

8. Andre the Giant - As the first giant in professional wrestling, Andre was a worldwide phenomenon. Many fans today simply view him as a 1980s version of the Big Show, but Andre was a far bigger deal in his day. People from all around the world came to see him. The guy himself was seen as a spectacle and could draw based simply on being a real-life giant.

7. Mick Foley - The word "passion" gets thrown around a lot when discussing pro wrestling, but Mick Foley is the personification of the word. All the years of traveling around looking for places to wrestle, taking some of the nastiest bumps of all time, all for the purpose of entertaining the fans in attendance, and later on, fans watching around the world. Even if you're not a fan of hardcore wrestling, you have to admire what Foley has put his body through over the years. However, the reason he put his body on the line isn't because he had nothing else to offer, as is the case with countless spot monkeys; Foley genuinely felt he was cheating the fans if he didn't give them every ounce of his blood, sweat, and tears.

6. Shawn Michaels - Although he helped keep the WWF alive early on during the Monday Night Wars (before the rise of Stone Cold Steve Austin), HBK will be remembered more for his amazing match performances than being a huge draw or carrying an entire company, which is the primary reason he made it onto my list. Whenever you think of big matches or memorable moments in pro wrestling, the Heartbreak Kid always seems to be there. The ladder matches with Razor Ramon, the Ironman Match with Bret, his countless battles with the Undertaker, the foundation of D-Generation X... this is a repertoire many wrestlers would kill for.

5. Undertaker - Every generation of professional wrestling has its top superstar and top draw, but lurking in the shadows for nearly two decades now has been the Prince of Darkness himself, the Undertaker. The guy was a main eventer from the moment he set foot in a WWF/E ring. He was never the top guy in the company, but to say he couldn't draw would be grossly unfair. The Undertaker has been a consistent top draw and main eventer for almost 20 years. What other superstar can say they've done that? Although his character and gimmick have been altered and changed throughout the years, he's still the same awe-inspiring phenom that he was when he first debuted, and his undefeated streak at WrestleMania only adds to that legacy.

4. Ric Flair - To be the man, you've gotta beat the man. And that has been Ric Flair's role for a good portion of his career. Throughout the years, Flair has earned various nicknames, including "The Dirtiest Player in the Game", due to his heelish in-ring tactics, and "The Sixty Minute Man", stemming from his ability to regularly put on lengthy, completely improvised matches. On March 30, 2008 at WrestleMania XXIV, in front of nearly 75,000 fans in Orlando Florida, Ric Flair, the man who once carried a dying NWA on his shoulders, fought in his final WWE match with Shawn Michaels in what was considered by many to be the match of the year. Whether he was putting over fresh young superstars or main eventing with top guys in the industry, the Nature Boy never ceased to put on a spectacle.

3. The Rock - One of the most popular and charismatic superstars of all time. Although remembered most as the beloved People's Champion, The Rock had several memorable character changes throughout his career, including his role as the leader of the Nation of Domination, his run as the Corporate Champion, and his brief stint as the cocky Hollywood Sellout. Whether fans were cheering or booing him, The Rock never ceased to entertain them with memorable, often times comedic promos. Rocky was definitely one of the greatest talkers ever and could certainly lay the smackdown, but the fact that his wrestling career was relatively short keeps him from being number 1 on my list.

2. Stone Cold Steve Austin - The guy who saved the WWF during the Monday Night Wars and ushered in a new era of professional wrestling in which tradition was disregarded and more edgy storylines were featured. The most ironic thing about Austin is, no one ever expected him to blow up the way he did, which just shows how unpredictable the business can be. After becoming the 1996 King of the Ring, Austin gave the now-famous Austin 3:16 speech, in which he uttered the iconic phrase: "Austin 3:16 says I just whipped your ass!" Almost overnight, Steve Austin became the WWF's hottest new sensation. Soon after, Austin engaged in a number of memorable feuds with everyone from the newly turned heel Bret Hart to the boss himself, Mr. McMahon. In the ensuing years, Austin had legendary feuds with top names such as Shawn Michaels, The Rock, Triple H, and Kurt Angle, drinking beer and raising hell each and every week. Why? 'Cause Stone Cold said so.

1. Hulk Hogan - The guy who, along with Vince McMahon (as well as his millions of Hulkamaniacs) made the business what it is today. Cartoons, Rock N' Wrestling, guest celebrities... Hogan was at the forefront of all this in what many consider to be the birth of McMahon's new vision for professional wrestling... sports entertainment. At WCW Bash at the Beach in 1996, however, everything changed. Hogan, who had been a role model for young wrestling fans since the 1980s, turned his back on fans around the world when he joined forces with the Outsiders, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash, to form the New World Order, which went on to become one of the most dominant (and marketable) heel stables in the history of professional wrestling. Some even say Hogan was indirectly responsible for the birth of the Attitude Era by forcing McMahon to change his product in order to compete with WCW Nitro and the popular nWo storyline. Therefore, it can be argued that Hulk Hogan has had a profound effect on professional wrestling during every "boom" era since the 1980s, making him the biggest and greatest superstar of all time.

Honorable mentions: Bret Hart, Randy Savage, Sting, Triple H, Jake "The Snake" Roberts, "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero. I would mention guys like Bruno Sammartino and Gorgeous George, since they were extremely influential to the industry from what I've heard, but since I know virtually nothing about them, I don't feel I'm at liberty to discuss their relevance/importance.

I tried to do this in terms of importance to the industry, and my list doesn't necessarily reflect my personal favorites.
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Re: Could randy orton be in the top 10 greatest wwe superstars of all time??

no i dont think so when he,s retired heill be top 30 but never top ten hall of famer yes.
John cena tho definitly
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He has flawless in ring skills and he makes it look effortless no matter who his opponent is, whether it be The Undertaker or Rey Mysterio. His tyrannic heel run from 2008-2009 alone catapults him into the top 20 of all time at the very least. The fact that during 2003 through 2004 he has the backing of the entire company to be the future and set the bar for all that would after him shows how good he is in all aspects of what it means to be a WWE Superstar. And even now at only 31 years old he is considered a locker room veteran with the new, up and comers coming to HIM for advice and critique. When only eight years ago it was the other way around.

I'm an Orton fan but not an Orton mark, do not be mistaken. For those of you that lack respect for others opinions and reason feel free to come at me with your illiterate, childish arguments.

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If you think this your a blind Orton Mark. Cena will be in the top 10 but not Orton. Rightfully so as well, Cena is Amazing while Orton is Bad.

On the current Roster, Sheamus and Punk may even be remembered higher then him. Doubtful of Sheamus but Punk is a possibility.

Cena makes everyone on the roster look like Jabronis.

Just the way it is.

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Orton is the new HHH, in that he will have done a shitload of notable and worthy things, but at the end of the day he'll only be a "legend" because WWE insists he is as opposed to being a genuine icon.

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