thehotrod

What is your evidence for Candice being solid. She hasn't done anything resembling a good match in almost a year. KK is the one busting her ass, working a tv match nearly every week, working houseshows. And has had two exciting matches with Beth in the last month and a half.

I'll break down the reasons people don't like the Candice situation.

1. Its trying to bank on some old non relevant revenge angle. When even the dumbest fans know Candice got injured on her own.

2. They are presenting Candice as if shes Beths physical equal. And will severely weaken Beths heel credibility.

3. With short hair, aging, spine tatoo, her marketability is fading

4. They are going to bury all the heels to someone that more likely than not will be injured soon

5. They are burying Mickie and putting KK in the backseat when they are the ones that have been productive, getting over, working the houseshows, being durable.

6. They are completely protecting her by having her debut on a taped show and editing cheers and editing out botches. From now until No Mercy it would not shock me if she is in the ring no more than 2 minutes.

7. She was made #1 contender for winning in a tag match


I have no confidence in Candice to do anything in the ring right now. She botched alot more than 2 times in that match. The KK match against Beth like a month ago and the one where she beat her a couple weeks ago were both exciting matches the crowd was into.

Some of the spots KK has done with Beth recently.. reverse double chicken wing into cover, reverse glam slam into cover, reverse gorilla press into cover, etc. These are the type of things Candice is going to need to do in her matches against Beth and I have no confidence in her.

ProJ16

Yes she botched but what can you expect she just returned from an injury a serious injury. She will do fine!

Foreshadowed

My evidence? Her solid matches, reasonable selling and improved offence. How you can question that is beyond me as majority of people (even those who hate her) admit she has improved a great deal last year. Sure, she hasn't had a good match this year (though she was on fire in that tag match this year) but I am going on how she performed before she was injured. Which is evident enough. If she continued at the rate she was working, in the next few years she could have been the next Trish Stratus. And I never mentioned this year, I mentioned that overall between the two, Candice has been more consistent than Kelly Kelly. True, Kelly Kelly has improved a great deal but nothing compared to Candice. Take Kelly Kelly's match with Phoenix compared to Candice's matches with Phoenix. I prefer Candice's all the way. And you can argue the amount of time given and what not but out of the two, Candice/Beth was far more entertaining. The Kelly Kelly/Beth matches have had a lot of mistimed spots when they've faced one another.

Just because you're a huge fan of Kelly, don't get your knickers in a twist just because I stated (remember it's called an opinion) I prefer Candice's work more than Kelly Kelly.

And as for the latter sentence... yes, Kelly has busted her ass every week and on house shows. But why hasn't Candice? Oh, that's right, she got re-injured.

Not true, if you remember as Candice was on the top rope Beth charged forward and pushed the ropes and Candice seemed to catch her foot on the ropes and therefore, took the awkward landing. That's what I make of it, anyway. I'm not blaming Beth but from a storyline perspective, of course they're going to go in the "Beth Phoenix made Candice lose her balance and thus, injure herself severely" route. And many fans will buy that.

I don't see how they have portrayed that. And how does it effect Beth's heel credibility? I'm afraid I can't agree with you until Beth backs down from Candice. If anything, Beth appears as the threat here as she is the one who injured Candice and defeated her twice. Candice has only managed to overcome Beth (twice) via a Roll-up each time. Is that a credible win? Not really, in this case it comes across as pure luck.

Wow, mature point. Debating about her looks and age... NEXT!

How do you know this? The only reason she was re-injured was because she wanted to come back for WrestleMania. Therefore, she came back too early and thus, was vulnerable from the get-go. Put it like this, she's not like Ashley who was injury prone every time she stepped inside that ring.

True but Mickie has had her time in the spotlight now. The Mickie/Beth feud was getting really stale anyway. The feud between Candice/Beth is the more appealing feud to go with IN MY OPINION (just thought I'd reiterate that) due to the story between these two. It comes across more refreshing with a new reason for these two to feud. And Kelly Kelly isn't ready for that sort of push yet. She's getting there but there are still areas she needs to improve in.

Have to wait and see. And the show was only edited for that one time as Raw was on Sci Fi. If Candice is to compete on Raw every week then it'll be live. If she makes any mistakes then we'll catch it. Stop making out you can predict the future! So far you've been sputtering out nothing but fictional gibberish!

Only valid point! I do agree they needed to build her up more while perhaps Mickie gained one more shot at the Womens belt in some sort of stipulation match at No Mercy. Candice meanwhile, gains a few victoies under her belt and eventually wins a Number One Contenders match to face the winner of Beth and Mickie. That would have been perfect. But this is the WWE we're talking about. They saw the opportunity to continue the once heated rivalry between these two for the Womens Championship. Sure, majority on here dislike Candice but she can really go in that ring with Beth and this could turn out pretty exciting if the feud is carried out properly. This is mainly about revenge and the Womens belt, thus making the belt seem important.

From what I saw it was twice she botched. She botched the Spinning Headscissors and she messed up the finish and that was it. It may be due to editing that parts were cut out but from what I saw, she botched twice. And true, those matches you listed between Kelly/Beth were fairly decent. The crowd were red hot in both matches as Kelly is over with the crowd (moreso than Candice) and possibly believed she could pull off an upset. Especially with the way the announcers constantly put over how she has improved in the ring. But again, in my view they do not compare to the Candice/Beth matches. But to each their own.


Why do you have no confidence in her? I've seen Candice pull off a few of those covers/roll-up's against Beth also. So she can certainly perform those spots. But so can a lot of the women. How can you show no confidence in her when she hasn't had a proper one-on-one match yet? She has shown she can go toe-to-toe with Beth in that ring before. You seem to be judging WAY before she is fully back into the working schedule of the WWE. If she fails miserably over the next couple of months or so, then you can knock her.

To be perfectly honest, Candice may never be the same again. But we do not know the true extent of what this injury did to her and how it will effect her overall performance in the ring from now on. She may do absolutely fine or she may have lost her chance to compete at the level she once was able to perform at or to compete at the level she wants to in that ring. But we have to wait patiently and see. You can't show a lack of confidence in her because your favourite Diva isn't getting a Womens title shot and because she botched in ONE match so far. Kelly Kelly has botched a fair amount before but do you see me showing a lack of confidence in her?

You have to give it time until you can judge someone's in-ring performance once they return from a serious injury.

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Cortez85

i've never seen candice execute a single move that looked good, horrible horrible worker (she makes the ultimate warrior look like a technical genius by comparison)

she's the shittiest worker in a real shitty division (ashley being the only one i've seen that's worse than her)

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Kasandana

Someone didnt watch the unedited version of RAW.

Foreshadowed

Is that the unedited edition for last weeks Raw or any other Raw specifically?

When I did watch the unedited versions of Raw (the live shows) she was solid in the ring and hardly botched. The fact still remains though, she has improved tremendously and even her haters have stated so. Many just debate the fact that she isn't as over as Mickie James or Kelly Kelly or in fact, she isn't a good worker as Mickie James, which is all true.

But I stand by what I said numerous times, Candice Michelle has improved in the ring a great deal last year. She really upped her game when she became Womens Champion.

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IMO Candice has improved in the ring but its not fair that she gets a women title shot straight from an injury even though Kelly & Mickie have been consistent and have been more or less leading the women face division and doing a very good job of it. even when you look at Kelly she has improved a lot over the last few months & I would of even preferred her over Candice to get a title shot against Beth. Right now it is clear that She is getting a push become of her looks than her talent

Kasandana

This unedited video of her return:
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=85GS6248+
THIS is the present and is only a small part of the match. At least she didnt injury herself. And remember the ¿headscissors? ¿DDT?.

InYourFace

Very true.

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