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Originally Posted by ZanderM

The recent advertisements also promote Jericho as the IC champion, so they would be put out after Hardy's suspension.

Hardy putting over Cade would be great. Especially if they would later make a Cade/Murdoch singles program later on.

Speak for yourself, continuation of the Hardy/Jericho program would be fine by me.

Originally Posted by Heat

So is the DVD mainly documentary, because the matches arn't very appealing at all?

Murdoch > Cade.

Theirs a documentary of about 55 mins for Matt, and about a 45 mins documentary for Jeff, obviously they overlap to a degree.

Then i believe theirs a bunch of matches for each and a couple tag matches aswell, i've only watched the documentary for each.

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I would rather not see Hardy near the IC title again. He's been a poor champion.

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Originally Posted by ZanderM

I would rather not see Hardy near the IC title again. He's been a poor champion.

Its hardly Hardys fault for the way they book the IC title, Jericho hasnt exactly done anything with it either.

[ZanderM]

Jericho's reign has been shorter and he often mentions the title. Not to mention he's had a couple defenses.

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Originally Posted by ZanderM

Jericho's reign has been shorter and he often mentions the title. Not to mention he's had a couple defenses.

Answer me one question, is their an IC title defense on the next PPV

The answer to that question will tell you that theirs no difference between Hardy or Jericho holding the belt, its the booking of the title which is at fault not any individual wrestler.

[ZanderM]

The fact of the matter is if the champion is booked poorly, he's a poor champion. You can't blame booking for long bad reigns. If a superstar doesn't defend the title often, at least mentioning it in promos would be good. The IC title isn't being defend at the next PPV, but it has been on RAW against two top superstars in Jericho's reign.

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Originally Posted by ZanderM

The fact of the matter is if the champion is booked poorly, he's a poor champion. You can't blame booking for long bad reigns. If a superstar doesn't defend the title often, at least mentioning it in promos would be good. The IC title isn't being defend at the next PPV, but it has been on RAW against two top superstars in Jericho's reign.

Err yeah you can, the fact of the matter is Jeff Hardy was going after the WWE title and creative could of at anytime taken the title off Hardy, they didnt, Jeff Hardy has no say on how long his title reign is or what matches he has, Jericho hasnt been going after the WWE title theirs your difference.

Jericho has no feud going which has a focus on the IC title, his two defenses were random matches against Big Show and Umaga. I could say Jericho is a bad champion because he has nothing better to do but have a feud surrounding the IC title yet he still doesnt. Thats creatives fault as it was for Hardy and its the same for Jericho.

You talk as if Wrestling was a real sport such as Boxing, where the champion chooses where and when he defends the title, i'll say this one last time Jeff Hardy does what creative tells him to do

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He had it comming when he is druging himself...

[ZanderM]

Originally Posted by mjuww

Err yeah you can, the fact of the matter is Jeff Hardy was going after the WWE title and creative could of at anytime taken the title off Hardy, they didnt, Jeff Hardy has no say on how long his title reign is or what matches he has, Jericho hasnt been going after the WWE title theirs your difference.

Jericho has no feud going which has a focus on the IC title, his two defenses were random matches against Big Show and Umaga. I could say Jericho is a bad champion because he has nothing better to do but have a feud surrounding the IC title yet he still doesnt. Thats creatives fault as it was for Hardy and its the same for Jericho.

You talk as if Wrestling was a real sport such as Boxing, where the champion chooses where and when he defends the title, i'll say this one last time Jeff Hardy does what creative tells him to do

Jericho's reign has been quite short comparing the two isn't logical. He's only had it for 1 PPV and that was 'Mania. Hardy and a long reign and would consistently enter feud after feud with nothing to do with the IC title. That's not what made him a poor champion though. A champion can bring credibility to a title without defending it. Hardy very rarely cuts promos and when he does it's even rarer for him to mention the IC title. There are a multitude of ways a person not defending the title can make the title look good, things that are in the superstars own control.

It's quite clear you'll defend Hardy no matter what.

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Originally Posted by ZanderM

Jericho's reign has been quite short comparing the two isn't logical. He's only had it for 1 PPV and that was 'Mania. Hardy and a long reign and would consistently enter feud after feud with nothing to do with the IC title. That's not what made him a poor champion though. A champion can bring credibility to a title without defending it. Hardy very rarely cuts promos and when he does it's even rarer for him to mention the IC title. There are a multitude of ways a person not defending the title can make the title look good, things that are in the superstars own control.

So the IC champion challenging for the WWE title doesnt bring credibility to the IC title.

Its quite clear you will defend Chris Jericho no matter what, and bash Jeff Hardy no matter what

Im not saying Jeff Hardy last run was great by any means, it certainly wasnt a classic IC title run or even close, but to say he was a bad champion and its all his fault he was a bad champion is pathetic. The best IC feud in recent times was the Hardy/Morrison(Nitro) feud, its not Hardys fault the WWE creative team forgot about the title since then, i would say Hardys last reign at the very least restored some credibiilty after the debacle that was the (face) Santino reign.