First off let me start by saying both these women are immensely talented, both have bright futures. Them as individuals are not my problem my issue is, it seems every match they have is OVERBUILT as "making history." It was fine the first time or so but every match they have whether it's the commentary or Char/Sasha themselves saying it "we're making history" "let's make history" "these women are making history." At a point don't talk about it, be about it. You're only making so much history if you have to keep reminding everyone that you're doing it. Does anyone else feel this way ?
I tend to agree too, but I love this feud and the way it's turning out with the flipflopping. I hope with Ric back in the mix, the feud takes a more personal turn instead of just "we're making history" the entire time.
The feud is slowly becoming something that in about a decade or two, WWE can make reference towards for the next generation of women superstars of how Charlotte and Sasha used to tear things up long before they were in the ring. Which I don't mean as a bad thing, but it definitely became clear that was what they were doing around the time of last week with the Falls Count Anywhere match.
What the feud needs is for the go home show to make it clear no matter the outcome, like Miz vs Ziggler, the feud ends. That way, they can either have Sasha retain and move on, or have Charlotte win the belt but also ensure Sasha does not get a contractual rematch.
That and because that feud is dragging for at least 2 months more than it should've had. They are just making history because the company is saying that, any 2 women could have been put and they would be "making history", but since they both are they pet projects they have to have it all. Don't get me wrong, they are capable of having good matches, but storyline wise they don't make any sense, and it hasn't since Mania, where Sasha should have won, when that didn't happened Sasha should have won it in Summerslam, not in the RAW 3 weeks before it just to lose it in Brooklyn. Then again she shouldn't have won it in a random RAW just to lose it in her hometown (in HIAC match they didn't deserve, it could have been a regular match) and finally Charlotte shouldn't have lost it again in a random RAW when you were building up Bayley, you even sacrifice the other brand's women champ to give Bayley momentum, but all of that was erased just to give these 2 more chances to "make history", it kinda sucks
I personally feel that it is just a disservice to both Charlotte and Sasha. All this female revolution propaganda...they don't need that in order to make their mark, they should be allowed to shine on their own merit without drowning everything with the forced propaganda. They are the top women of the division and have demonstrated why several times, so just let them go out there and do their thing without beating people over the head with the propaganda.
This. As long as these ladies are putting on strong and entertaining matches, let it go on. The feud itself isn't the problem, it's Stephanie that twat and the WWE propaganda machine using it to cram this assinine concept of the women's revolution down our throats.
Their matches feel really personal, but the out of ring stuff does not so that's makes it slightly jarring.
What this feud needs to be remembered well is a fantastic final blowoff with the babyface (Sasha) going over. They have the perfect opportunity to do that at Roadblock. Otherwise it just feels like WWE just wasted 5 months of my time to end up in the exact same place as it started. All the equal booking, all the stipulation matches, all the titles changes, all of it will end up as pointless.
Having Ric cost Sasha would be the stupidest decision in years for me.
True and I think it is because the out of ring stuff is the part that is plagued by the whole "female revolution, let's make history" nonsense. If they had avoided that and made that part of the feud more personal then it would have really elevated this rivalry much higher than it currently is.
And I agree, they should really just wrap things up and have Sasha go over at Roadblock. Having Charlotte win just to keep this whole PPV streak thing going will only hurt both women particularly Charlotte who shouldn't have gone over at HIAC in the first place.
It doesn't really feel like they're making history, it feels more like we're just being told that they are making history. And everything they do feels so forced, you just know its not because WWE see's these women as Main Event level and quite frankly they aren't if they were men they would be shat on even more than they are online. Its all just PR shit to make WWE look progressive and with the times.
Yes, the overemphasis of history is irrating when the work speaks for itself. They don't need to remind us of what we can see with our own eyes, but it isn't them, it's a corporate mandate. It just happened organically in NXT and they only talked about making history in non kayfabe interviews.
you just know its not because WWE see's these women as Main Event level and quite frankly they aren't if they were men they would be shat on even more than they are online.
Well, I feel like my Queen along with her Boss opponent ARE making history. Even though sometimes I get take out by the slight blips made in their PPV matches (especially SummerSlam), they find ways to pull me back in by upping the stakes. I keep thinking "maybe they're right." Then they have the falls count anywhere match and I am like "WOW, THIS IS AMAZING". Then they have the Ric Flair slap swerve and I keep being reeled back in.
KO and Zayn had a match Sasha/Charlotte wish they could do half of it, but that Zayn/KO match got its own thread of people making jokes about it and how repetitive it is.
but what would have happened if Sasha and Charlotte were capable of doing half the stuff KO/Zayn could in the ring? they'd be praised as fuck out of it.
It needs to end, the RAWs division is literally just about them two, all the other women on RAW could be moved to Smackdown and other then Bayley you probably wouldn't notice their absence.
It's WWE over pushing everything that's trendy. Every time WWE attaches itself to something trendy whether it's social media or a social movement, they over mention it and over do it because in their minds, that's their way of brainwashing, and showing people that they are "with it."
This making history thing is WWE's continuous strive toward being socially conscience and equal with mainstream's women revolution and empowerment. They are only doing this to benefit them from a company image perspective. They are not doing this for Charlotte or Sasha.
It feels so manufactured. Back in the day when Trish, Lita and Victoria were on top, you didn't hear WWE shoving it down our throats that they were making history - they just went out there and did it.
A long-running feud should warrant additional stipulations in matches, eg Falls Count Anywhere, Hell in a Cell, etc. Yet this feud hasn't warranted several matches, it's just been booked for the sake of booking a "historic" match.
Thing is it's not their fault as performers. They've done everything asked of them and performed at a high level, I've got nothing but respect and admiration for Sasha and Charlotte for putting on matches like the HIAC and their Raw main events. Lesser women would definitely have folded under the pressure. That said, the way WWE are handling it by overdoing it, with amount of matches, hot potato booking and constant reference to how amazing the feud is, makes people reject it because it seems so forced. If they could have avoided that stuff the overall perception of the feud would have been better.
I do think they're trying to "force" history. At this point it's too late to turn back. I think they should keep Charlotte's PPV streak going, but NOT have her go into WM 33 as champion. Charlotte deserves a worthy opponent. They've done Sasha/Charlotte to death and a triple threat doesn't sound appealing because she has a streak going. I wouldn't mind if they did Charlotte vs Asuka at WM. They've built her strong enough for something like that.
Sure Sasha would be better off as a heel, but she's connecting with the younger girls. WWE has always been able to appeal to younger boys. Now they have women that appeal to the young girls and the girls look at them like role models. Until WWE feels someone else can replace Sasha as the #1 Face they'll keep pushing Sasha. Bayley has a chance but she needs to improve with her mic skills and acting.
it's possibly the most forced historic feud I have ever seen. it's like they are trying to recreate the female version of rock vs Austin instead of letting it happen naturally
To me Sasha's character/look is better than her in ring skills. But she's still better in the ring than 70% of the rest of the women on the roster. She has mainstream appeal — that's why she's pushed. Fans need to accept this. As fans we should all want characters that can bring any new demographic of fans in — young girls, young boys, minority fans, older women who may watch TD (Why Nikki is pushed and is OVER), etc.
They (and others on the roster) are good enough to make history on their own. They don't need the pressure of being overhyped like WWE keep doing. It just builds resentment as fans feel they are being pushed too hard.
Raw clearly never heard of "show, don't tell". And the framing of the Shas/Charlotte feud is one of the main offensive factors of Raw for me, and why I just can't watch it these days. Smackdown is a wrestling show with wrestlers who feud and wrestle, with way less intelligence-insulting, desperate, public-image bullshit.
I like the feud, both girls are talented and bring their all to every match. That said it's time to move away from this feud. Elevate another diva to feud for the women's title on RAW.
It's now become the female version of Cena/Orton and we're simply being forced to believe that this isn't just a rivalry, it's THE rivalry as far as WWE feuds go.
The difference is though that Cena/Orton were not also having matches on Raw in between PPV's as well, I think another problem is it's hard to accept Sasha as a babyface as she's such a natural pure heel and everything about her screams heel which is why I'd be happier if a women's feud going on this long was Bayley/Sasha.
I just didn't like how on RAW Mick Foley was all like 'this feud can't end like this' and all RAW long the announcers kept saying it was the end of the feud and now they have Ric Flair back into the mix and have booked a 30 minute ironman match. I feel like they are just trying to extend it for the sake of it.
I really appreciate Charlotte and have grown to like her. I hated her since NXT and then the start of her main roster run I thought she was boring as fuck and would have everything handed to her but since the heel turn and her character work has been immense, I now realise how great a wrestler she is now.
Sasha is the complete opposite, loved her on NXT and even when she was with Team B.A.D but now she's just like every other boring face to me. The Boss character needs to be a fully fledged heel.
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