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My Issue With Sasha Banks

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#1 · (Edited)
Let me start out by saying that I am not a critic of Sasha's in ring work. She is a very good wrestler, she has great presence and charisma and I have no doubt she would be a star in any era. I do think however that many of her fans tend to place her on a pedestal and talk about her as if there is no doubt she is the greatest female performer in WWE history when quite honestly there really Isn't anything else to compare her to as far as in ring matches go. NO ONE in the history of the company, not even Lita and Trish who WWE loves to promote as being the ultimate legends who paved the way for the current "women's revolution," were given the opportunities to have standout matches like Sasha has. People keep saying that Sasha has more good to great matches under her belt than any of the other women, and talk as if this is proof that she is superior to all other women past or present. While it is true that she usually steps up in those big match situations which is something that she should be commended and rewarded for, there have been many other women who were not and have not been given approval to go all out and do everything they are capable of doing, and who were turned down when they expressed their desire to do stipulation matches like the ones Sasha and Charlotte are getting there have been many other women who were not and have not been given approval to go all out and do everything they are capable of doing, and who were turned down when they expressed their desire to do stipulation matches like the ones Sasha and Charlotte are getting. Chris Jericho told the story of how Melina and Michelle McCool were reprimanded for trying to have "too good" of a match, and it was only two years ago when Paige AJ Lee and the Bellas were all lobbying for stipulation matches to elevate their programs with their requests falling on deaf ears. Their matches have been very good, but Sasha and Charlotte are not the only women capable of doing what they have done and the real reason they are receiving so many opportunities to "make history" is because WWE wants to try and promote women as being equal to men for their own self serving reasons. All of this does also apply to Charlotte as well as Sasha, but Sasha is the one who is most placed on a pedestal so I notice all of this the most with her.

Instead of constantly responding to any criticism (reasonable criticism, not nonsense from people who want to take shots at her appearance or other BS) with a reminder of all the good matches she has had and asking why others did not or have not had the same kind of matches, understand and acknowledge that 1. no one else has been given so many high profile matches (not because they weren't good enough), and 2. that she along with Charlotte have pretty much been hand picked to "revolutionize" women's wrestling in WWE and therefore keep on receiving big match opportunities at a level that no other female in the history of the company has ever received.

Sorry if this post was repetitive, I'm just trying to point out where I and a lot of other people are coming from when it comes to criticism of Sasha.
 
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#2 · (Edited)
Let's not forget her balding forehead, the fact she speaks like a hoe on the mic and that she is technically the best women's wrestler ever due to all the opportunities she has had to shine but rather than the previous women's wrestlers never had the same opportunities as her and Charlotte
 
#61 ·
Let's not forget her balding forehead, the fact she speaks like a hoe on the mic
i gotta say the high forehead is not pleasant to look at it but whatever we all have our flaws. i like her tight little body.

i have always found her manner of speaking a huge turnoff. any time she sticks up for herself even as a face she talks like ghetto trash. it doesn't fit the character. maybe she is ratchet idk.
 
#3 ·
What the hell are you talking about OP?

Don't you know that Ratchet Banks is a Once in a Millennium woman athlete who has superior genetics and goddess looks-uhh?

Ratchet Banks fans will eat you up and spit you out for making such outrageous comments-uhh.

You have no idea that Ratchet Banks is not only LEGIT, but also a BOSS.

She's so legit that she can conquer UFC and beat Ronda, Miesha, Joanna, Claudia and Cyborg, all at once-uhh.

That Bank Statement is the most devastating submission move ever.

Didn't you see how she made The Naitch's girl tap out to it in the Falls Count Anywhere match?

For more reading material, check what Ratchet marks wrote on Reddit:

As some background to myself, I have been watching professional wrestling since 1987 and I've been through the good and bad times of the sport. Along with that, my first UFC event I ever watched was UFC 7 in 1995, and since then I have seen a large chunk of people move towards UFC and MMA and leave pro wrestling behind. This isn't even exclusive to the fans, but also the wrestlers who left themselves.
There's always a once in a lifetime athlete that really elevates the sport to that next level after doing all they could in WWE. Some of these names include:
Brock Lesnar, the first to migrate to UFC became the UFC Heavyweight Champion and a top draw.
CM Punk was tired of getting screwed over in the WWE and chipped into his potential that had yet to be realized. Will have his debut match in August and it seems like he's going to have an incredible career and elevate the sport once again.
Which brings me to who I am certain will one day be the next man (or woman in this case) to jump into the UFC. Sasha Banks.
Sasha Banks is, perhaps, the best overall wrestler in WWE today. In a few short years, she might be considered the best overall wrestler in WWE ever. Just as dominant as she is sexy, Sasha is a real student of the game and has given the "new and improved" Women's Wrestling division a run for it's money. She is perhaps one of the most intimidating wrestlers we've seen in a long time, and the WWE understands that too. She's booked just like a female Brock Lesnar, where she comes in at random to a huge pop, destroys anyone in the ring, and leaves. If she wanted to, she could probably even take on the male wrestlers and beat them. She could definitely handle herself against a Zack Ryder or a Dolph Ziggler, and could definitely give Roman Reigns a run for his money at a Banks/Reigns PPV main event, though I'm very doubtful that would happen seeing the WWE's backwards policy on intergender matches.

This is why I am certain she's destined for a great career in UFC. There's no person in the WWE with such an intimidating face as hers, there is no person in the WWE who's the kind of work horse that she is, and there really is no better wrestler than her. Watch how easy it is for her to hit the Bank Statement on an unsuspecting opponent.
Inevitably, Sasha will realize how much better she is than everyone else and will go out to seek bigger and better things. The UFC.

Sasha is already one of the most badass people on the roster, and I think I speak for a lot of people on this sub, including myself, when I say that Sasha would destroy me in a fight.
While I think Sasha could beat some women on the UFC roster already, such as Marion Reneau or Holly Holm, I feel as though if she got the kind of training that CM Punk has and join a training camp, then I think we will see the most dominant athlete and biggest draw possibly of all time. With proper training, she could easily destroy the likes of Cat Zingano, Miesha Tate, or even Ronda Rousey.
For anyone who says she could never be a top draw because she's a woman, Ronda was a huge draw and she was a woman, so sex has nothing to do with it.
I could see people in UFC tapping out to the Bank Statement and I feel as though it's just inevitable.

If you read the entire post, then I wanted to say thank you and would love to hear your opinions and feedback in the comments. But, PLEASE NOTE that I lost a lot of karma from the last time I attempted to explain this, and now I'm back on probation so there's a good chance I'll only be able to answer one comment every 10 minutes.

Thanks.
TL;DR: Sasha is destined to become one of the most dominant fighters to ever step foot in the Octagon, and is too good for the WWE.
 
#4 ·
I think the problem with your criticism is the idea of some huge pedastal that Sasha is on. There was that maybe a year ago. At this point? Naw. Everyone has their favorites and biases. But as far as overall sentiment, Sasha is in fact overall the most hated female wrestler on this forum. There is no other female wrestler on this forum who has as many negative threads committed to her as Sasha does. Sasha also gets a huge mix of reasonable criticism and posts where people literally just criticise how she looks. The comments that seem more negative on a personal level towards Sasha are in my opinion more prominent then any other female wrestler talked about and they absolutely overweigh and outnumber positive Sasha comments.
 
#24 · (Edited)
I think the problem with your criticism is the idea of some huge pedastal that Sasha is on. There was that maybe a year ago. At this point? Naw. Everyone has their favorites and biases. But as far as overall sentiment, Sasha is in fact overall the most hated female wrestler on this forum. There is no other female wrestler on this forum who has as many negative threads committed to her as Sasha does. Sasha also gets a huge mix of reasonable criticism and posts where people literally just criticise how she looks. The comments that seem more negative on a personal level towards Sasha are in my opinion more prominent then any other female wrestler talked about and they absolutely overweigh and outnumber positive Sasha comments.
Bro there's a thread about that and she's the 4th most popular female wrestler on the forum..

Anw, in reply to OP.

Let me put it this way, a Takeover event for females is the the ultimate opportunity to display their skills.

Sasha's had 4 one on one matches, I consider two of them of classics (vs Becky vs Bayley Brooklyn) and two excellent matches ( vs Charlotte and vs Bayley Respect). I'll say the only other classic she's had is the WM 3-way, with the FCA match being excellent.

The next bunch of matches on RAW between Charlotte/Sasha I'd say fall in the "very good category".

And that's it. It's unfair to compare others capabilities to Sasha when it's clear she had with them more chances to to deliver. What I mean by that is.
Sasha vs Becky, Charlotte, Bayley, yes all had their best matches with Sasha.

But did Bayley and Becky ever get to show it at a Takeover? did Charlotte and Becky?
Charlotte and Bayley kinda did almost a year earlier, both had improved and that match falls in the "very good" category as well, getting many praise at its time, they considerably had less time and focused on Bayley's underdog story.

Now, this is why I don't think it's fair to outright claim Sasha is the best based only on the fact that she gave Becky, Flair and Bayley their best match.

You know wana why I call Beth Phoenix the best of her generation? because back in that era, while all getting the same amount of matches and hype I saw Beth give most of the girls their best matches.

Best match of Eve Torres' career
Best match of Tamina's career
Best match of Candice's career
Best match of Maria's career
Best match of Kelly Kelly's career
Best match of Katie Lea's career at OVW ( that's actually including Katie's SHIMMER, TNA and WWE matches)
Top 2-3 best matches for Melina/Mickie in their careers ( England, I Quit, 3-Way)
Top 2-3 matches for Layla

Anytime someone less experienced faced Beth people who be like " wow this girl had a breakout performance" but then go back to mediocrity when facing others. Maryse's breakout performance was vs Beth at SurvivorSeries 2008.

At that time all Women matches were like 5-7min, Beth was able to tell a story and breakout stuff making her matches standout more than the rest ( there's argument for Melina/Mickie/McCool but I just don't think they're even Beth's league, Melina had a great move-set but was sloppy at times and Mickie regressed after mid 2008)

Anw what I'm saying is, that's a fair comparison in my opinion because of the similarities between everyone's opportunities. Saying Sasha is outright the best, while in fact could be arguable, is not really as you'd say definitive like many claim it is. Becky and Charlotte are both up there as far as delivering when asked of them, when the objective was to go and tear down the house, Charlotte and Becky proved they could ( For Becky, that was the objective at WM and Unstoppable) for Charlotte ( Everytime she faced Sasha, WM)

Edit: I want to add that I get someone being a better worker or a better wrestler, Jazz was without a doubt better than Trish in the ring, but I think Trish had a few more notable matches in her name, Trish vs Victoria and Trish vs Lita are more interesting to me than Jazz vs Lita or Jazz vs Victoria, while both were given relatively the same amount of time.. but that's also not the case when comparing Sasha to the women of her generation.
 
#5 ·
These 'points' about Sasha always ring hollow, because realistically the women's division is nowhere near it's apex. Want to see women wrestling well in the WWF? Try Survivor Series 1995, Aja Kong, Alundra Blayze and some other *really* talented female wrestlers - think mostly from Japan, definitely weren't contracted full time. The problem? They don't look like divas.

I like Sasha, I'm a fan of her in ring ability - in the current climate. Who should be women's champion to actually change the division? Nia Jax. And don't take the belt off her until someone credible comes along. Yet that isn't what this revolution is about. It's about having Divas that can wrestle, it isn't about showcasing the best of women's wrestling.

Sasha is really attractive and can work better than the 'Divas' could, but is she objectively an amazing wrestler? No. Is she near the best woman I've seen? No. Is she the best WWE have offered in quite a while? For me, yes. I can see why people would argue for any of the women you listed, but can we all stop pretending this is 'as good as it gets' with female wrestlers? It really isn't even the best the company has ever had.
 
#9 ·
Yes she's had more opportunities that's undeniable, Trish, Sable, and Lita drew more money that's undeniable. But I think it's hard to deny that the women now are much better than any previous generation. Does them having less restrictions assist in that of course, but it's not Sasha and the women of this generations fault women of the past are on the wrong side of history. It just is what it is. These women are better because they had less restrictions, could women of the past have been this great or better, maybe but tough titty for them we'll never know

It's like in actual sports you just have to accept that every generation has certain things that others don't that help with the game.

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#11 · (Edited)
Well I would accept that if Sasha and the other Horses didn't constantly put themselves over and how much they have "changed" and "revolutionized" everything, because their pushes are mostly due to politics, despite being talented. I guess I couldn't reasonably expect them or the company that is pushing them to come right out and say this, but It's the truth nonetheless. They should at least give props more often to women not named Lita or Trish.
 
#10 ·
I touched on this in a post in another thread I think two days ago. Not going into great detail, but I readily admit that Charlotte has been given more chances and screentime to advance her character. On the MR far more than Sasha. I really don't even mind Sasha fans singing her praises when it comes to her big matches. They can expect that I will point out that the ones in NXT were done in a far more controlled and choreographed environment and that is a valid argument. What I don't think is fair is when those matches are used as a comparative tool to put down other women that haven't been given those same opportunities when there's no evidence that suggest that Sasha performs better under the same limitations. I know that's all a matter of opinion, but even I will admit that she does have the highest number of classic matches. It baffles me why some of her fans can't acknowledge that opportunity plays a huge role in that and that maybe if someone such as Becky were given the same chances that maybe she could add to her catalogue of classics too. Charlotte has the second highest number. Why? Becoase she's had the second most opportunities.
 
#13 ·
I touched on this in a post in another thread I think two days ago. Not going into great detail, but I readily admit that Charlotte has been given more chances and screentime to advance her character. On the MR far more than Sasha. I really don't even mind Sasha fans singing her praises when it comes to her big matches. They can expect that I will point out that the ones in NXT were done in a far more controlled and choreographed environment and that is a valid argument. What I don't think is fair is when those matches are used as a comparative tool to put down other women that haven't been given those same opportunities when there's no evidence that suggest that Sasha performs better under the same limitations. I know that's all a matter of opinion, but even I will admit that she does have the highest number of classic matches. It baffles me why some of her fans can't acknowledge that opportunity plays a huge role in that and that maybe if someone such as Becky were given the same chances that maybe she could add to her catalogue of classics too. Charlotte has the second highest number. Why? Becoase she's had the second most opportunities.
People don't seem to mention how Charlotte being in title feuds since day 1 has allowed her to speak 10 times as much as any other woman and as a result her mic skills have increased significantly since being called up.
Actually, I did
 
#16 ·
While I think Sasha could beat some women on the UFC roster already, such as Marion Reneau or Holly Holm,

I know there are stupid people out there, but Jesus, humanity always finds a way to impress me with how dumb it can be...
 
#20 ·
Not a fan of her. really the thing that bugs me most is her envoking the ghost of wrestlers past. Who is she going to channel next? run to the ring with her face painted and start shaking the ropes? get on the mic and say she's the new tower of power too sweet to he sour? Guess if she starts Sashamania we'll at least get to see her rip her shirt off.
 
#26 ·
that's some cool ass merchandise.

Did Sasha come up with Legit Boss or was it taken from something else?
tried to look it up, it seems mostly associated with Sasha. It's a great and catchy slogan, It's pretty cool to wear a shirt and a hat that says "Legit Boss", it helps that it also doesn't have to be affiliated with wrestling if someone is "embarrassed" to wear WWE product in public ( I don't, then again I have Rollin's bank on it shirt which I think is pretty cool). Oh, and I can see people doing "Legit Boss" tattoos. It really is very marketable.
 
#27 ·
Sasha Banks in UFC is the funniest thing I've heard all year-and it's December.
 
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#31 ·
My issue isn't with Sasha Banks it's with the entire wlmens division. They've raised the bar the tiniest bit and just decided to rest on their laurels. They have 2 good matches a year in the division andwon't shut up about it, that's legit all they do.

They all need to take a leaf out of Alexa Bliss's book.
 
#32 ·
My issue isn't with Sasha Banks it's with the entire wlmens division. They've raised the bar the tiniest bit and just decided to rest on their laurels. They have 2 good matches a year in the division andwon't shut up about it, that's legit all they do.

They all need to take a leaf out of Alexa Bliss's book.
What book is that?
 
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