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All Raw TV Ratings, Buys, Draw Talk Here - THE RATINGS WAR PART V - LOL Ratings

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**All TV Ratings, Buys, Draw Talk Here**

Previous Thread HERE: http://www.wrestlingforum.com/wwe-r...-buys-draw-talk-here-ratings-war-part-iv.html

So here it is, Thread Ratings War Part V. You know ratings, that thing that WWE apparently doesn't give a shit about, yeah (right)?

The next chapter in the ongoing saga that is the numbers game. Where numbers and decimal points gets analysed to the tenth degree and the dreaded 'Draw' phrase gets bought up and people get their handbags out and have a 'discussion' over a bunch of numbers.

:maisie3

So, calm down and have fun. IT'S ALL ABOUT DEM NUMBERS!!!!!

THE RATINGS WAR PART V

:BAM

P.S LOL Ratings.​
 
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It's quite fitting that a new thread is opened because this year starts a new chapter in ratings, namely the "Pray to god our hardcores don't tune out" era.

The Raw pre- and post-Wrestlemania clearly, without a shadow of a doubt, cement the fact that aside from WWE fans, nobody's watching this shit anymore. Wrestlemania can't even draw those FANS back in that tuned out.

And if they keep feeding us shit like RomanTHEguyWinsLOL, they'll be in 1.X territory faster than they can say "Please retire Vince".
 
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:clap :clap:clap


The fam's here, the drinks here, the marks are here. Well f*ck let's get it!
 
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Top 3 Youtube draws from this week's RAW (One of the most relevant global parameters):

#1



#2



#3



Reigns has consistently proven over the course of last year to be commanding huge global interest. Studying this parameter for the next few years or so would be interesting as WWE is more global than ever before with the emergence of the network.
 
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fuck me it looks like this thread is going to be youtube views thread again.
 
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I wish we could have a television ratings thread and a separate YouTube and social media views count thread.
 
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I wish we could have a television ratings thread and a separate YouTube and social media views count thread.
Why? There's the word "draw" in the thread -- that encompasses different stats from different forms of media which give weight to the drawability factor discussions. Weekly Nelson ratings are only one metric of many
 
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Can't understand what's the big deal about Youtube is here. The thread specifically states that any drawing argument can be put forth, including Youtube. People are being a bit irrational asking for ratings to have a monopoly over this thread.
 
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Don't really see youtube ratings as indicator of anything.
A video with a dog licking his balls can get bigger youtube ratings sometimes, it means nothing.
Yes but we're not comparing a video of a dog licking it's balls with a pro wrestling video. We're comparing pro wrestling videos with pro wrestling videos. You have a better tangible global indicator? Kindly bring it to our notice.
 
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WWE earned $2.3 million from ad revenue from YouTube videos in 2014. Even if they doubled that amount, that's just under $5 million, which is 0.7% of their entire revenue in 2015. Less than 1%! If they tripled it, it's about 7 million, which is about 1% of their revenue in 2015. Now consider that even if Reigns gets the most views, he still isn't responsible for anywhere near 100% of that very small ad revenue number.

Terrible argument to make in favor of Reigns. The guy can't draw on TV, he doesn't sell anywhere near enough merch given his level of push, and the revenue from YT videos is minuscule.
 
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WWE earned $2.3 million from ad revenue from YouTube videos in 2014. Even if they doubled that amount, that's just under $5 million, which is 0.7% of their entire revenue in 2015. Less than 1%! If they tripled it, it's about 7 million, which is about 1% of their revenue in 2015. Now consider that even if Reigns gets the most views, he still isn't responsible for anywhere near 100% of that very small ad revenue number.

Terrible argument to make in favor of Reigns. The guy can't draw on TV, he doesn't sell anywhere near enough merch given his level of push, and the revenue from YT videos is minuscule.
Great info. Now compare that to USA who pays them a couple hundred million dollars. We need not say anymore.

@SnapOrTap tweet he just linked to:



Post Mania last year compared to Post Mania this year :lmao
 
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WWE Ratings have been falling for 10+ years and yet they've been signing path breaking deals every time despite the fact that WWE "T.V" viewership is down 66 % from 2000. Ratings are a factor of the times and their standard keeps on changing with the times.

On the other hand, Youtube is not just about money, it's one of the most relevant global parameters to gauge popularity of each and every performers amongst a very vast domain. Secondly T.V is on it's way down, the change is irreversible.. Internet on the other hand is well on it's way to ascendency. The growth chart of the WWE Youtube channel a post back illustrates that which makes these figures even more significant and TV Ratings more and more redundant by the day.
 
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Re: **All TV Ratings, Buys, Draw Talk Here** - THE RATINGS WAR PART V - LOL Ratings

WWE Ratings have been falling for 10+ years and yet they've been signing path breaking deals every time despite the fact that WWE "T.V" viewership is down 66 % from 2000. Ratings are a factor of the times and their standard keeps on changing with the times.

On the other hand, Youtube is not just about money, it's one of the most relevant global parameters to gauge popularity of each and every performers amongst a very vast domain. Secondly T.V is on it's way down, the change is irreversible.. Internet on the other hand is well on it's way to ascendency. The growth chart of the WWE Youtube channel a post back illustrates that which makes these figures even more significant and TV Ratings more and more redundant by the day.
There's almost no point in arguing this. Only on this board does social media not matter in 2016.
 
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What are your thoughts on the ratings @Empress. Are they good or bad compared to the last few post Mania Raws? Also thoughts on it being the lowest in viewership and ratings in the last 19 years.

I know your opinion on the social media aspect.
 
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What are your thoughts on the ratings @Empress. Are they good or bad compared to the last few post Mania Raws? Also thoughts on it being the lowest in viewership and ratings in the last 19 years.

I know your opinion on the social media aspect.
I thought this week's RAW would get 4 million ratings for each hour and didn't. So, it underperformed. Overall, the ratings have been very stagnant. Outside of Shane's return and Roman winning the belt, not much has changed. At least, the TV ratings aren't in a free fall (from week to week). They stay in the 3-3.5 million range.
 
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Wrestlemania YouTube views:

Shane vs Taker 3.99m
The Rock and Cena 2.52m
Reigns vs HHH 2.01m

nearly double for Shane-o and taker over the main event, very surprising. Just incase these numbers have not been posted.
 
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Re: **All TV Ratings, Buys, Draw Talk Here** - THE RATINGS WAR PART V - LOL Ratings

Wrestlemania YouTube views:

Shane vs Taker 3.99m
The Rock and Cena 2.52m
Reigns vs HHH 2.01m

nearly double for Shane-o and taker over the main event, very surprising. Just incase these numbers have not been posted.
This clearly means that Shane is a bigger draw than The Rock and Cena combined.
 
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How Was WWE Total Divas Viewership This Week?

Source: Showbuzz Daily

This week's WWE Total Divas episode on the E! network drew 649,000 viewers and ranked #28 for the night on cable.

This is up 15% from last week's episode, which drew 563,000 viewers and ranked #34 for the night on cable. The week before that drew 663,000 viewers and the week before that drew 650,000.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...ase-for-this-week-wwe-total-divas-viewership/
 
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Shit is shit and the fans have finally realized that. Mania, in many ways for many people, was a fuck you from WWE for all the hijacking nonsense fans pulled for two straight Manias back in 2014. Favorites like New Day, Styles, Sasha, Becky, Ambrose, Shane all lost at Mania with one of the most hated babyfaces of the modern era in Roman Reigns standing tall as the new WWE World champion for a THIRD TIME.

They deserve this. All of this. That's what you get for thinking putting bandaids (Cesaro, Enzo/Cass, AJ's win) over bullet holes would make everything good again. You couldn't even break a 3.0 for a post-Mania RAW. Absolutely pathetic and inexcusable.

2016 may end up being even worse than 2015, if you could even imagine that. I also predict RAW will get a 1.9 or lower rating this year. It's long overdue, honestly. Especially when August/September comes crashing down with football. WWE is about to have a rude awakening and I have no sympathy for them. At all.
 
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Shit is shit and the fans have finally realized that. Mania, in many ways for many people, was a fuck you from WWE for all the hijacking nonsense fans pulled for two straight Manias back in 2014. Favorites like New Day, Styles, Sasha, Becky, Ambrose, Shane all lost at Mania with one of the most hated babyfaces of the modern era in Roman Reigns standing tall as the new WWE World champion for a THIRD TIME.

They deserve this. All of this. That's what you get for thinking putting bandaids (Cesaro, Enzo/Cass, AJ's win) over bullet holes would make everything good again. You couldn't even break a 3.0 for a post-Mania RAW. Absolutely pathetic and inexcusable.

2016 may end up being even worse than 2015, if you could even imagine that. I also predict RAW will get a 1.9 or lower rating this year. It's long overdue, honestly. Especially when August/September comes crashing down with football. WWE is about to have a rude awakening and I have no sympathy for them. At all.
I posted this April of this year. Good to see I was right and then some.

It'll get worse from here on out. If Goldberg's return doesn't at least pull a 2.2 rating on Monday....
 
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Lol I entered the thread and saw Reigns fans discussing twitter and YouTube so I already know the way the post RAW episode went ratings wise without even having to see it. :mj5 Reigns has never been the casual savant they pretend he is, and it doesn't help they delivered what many feel was a subpar WM.Cena fans haven't defaulted to him and he's never been as charismatic as his predecessors. Rock, Sting, Austin, Hogan, Flair, ect, Would have lapped Cena ten times over in popularity and merchandise sales after this two year, monster push he's received. Smoke and mirrors will only get you so far now that he actually has the belt.


It's obvious when a guy has "it" and when he doesn't. The McMahon's are going to learn the hard way that it takes more than putting a guy you find handsome in the top slot for him to actually be conductive to success in that role. Him being attractive doesn't make him a draw. A WWE champ with no personality and a poorly booked product. As I said before, unless they get the belt off of Roman and/or shake the entire product up, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, and that goes for ratings and attendance. Wait until we're in the thick of football season.
 
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Lol I entered the thread and saw Reigns fans discussing twitter and YouTube so I already know the way the post RAW episode went ratings wise without even having to see it. :mj5 Reigns has never been the casual savant they pretend he is, and it doesn't help they delivered what many feel was a subpar WM.Cena fans haven't defaulted to him and he's never been as charismatic as his predecessors. Rock, Sting, Austin, Hogan, Flair, ect, Would have lapped Cena ten times over in popularity and merchandise sales after this two year, monster push he's received. Smoke and mirrors will only get you so far now that he actually has the belt.


It's obvious when a guy has "it" and when he doesn't. The McMahon's are going to learn the hard way that it takes more than putting a guy you find handsome in the top slot for him to actually be conductive to success in that role. Him being attractive doesn't make him a draw. A WWE champ with no personality and a poorly booked product. As I said before, unless they get the belt off of Roman and/or shake the entire product up, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, and that goes for ratings and attendance. Wait until we're in the thick of football season.
B..b..but Summerslam sold out!

:lol
 
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From now on, every dipshit taking YouTube hits as proof for how over Reigns is, will be put instantly on ignore.
I can't take that asinine bullshit anymore.

Once Raw will be cancelled for good, the last few shows will be a guaranteed YouTube hit. And I bet some idiots will take it as proof for how popular WWE was until the curtain fell.
 
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