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Sorry pal I just don't buy into social media ratings as a reliable indicator
To me TV ratings are still the most reliable measure, its the best way to measure the popularity of the product as is now in comparison to past months/years.
Plus the ratings will indicate just how much money WWE gets from USA Network, which right now is a couple hundred million dollars. That's alot of money. That's why their used as a huge indicator and more than anyother.
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WWE earned $2.3 million from ad revenue from YouTube videos in 2014. Even if they doubled that amount, that's just under $5 million, which is 0.7% of their entire revenue in 2015. Less than 1%! If they tripled it, it's about 7 million, which is about 1% of their revenue in 2015. Now consider that even if Reigns gets the most views, he still isn't responsible for anywhere near 100% of that very small ad revenue number.

Terrible argument to make in favor of Reigns. The guy can't draw on TV, he doesn't sell anywhere near enough merch given his level of push, and the revenue from YT videos is minuscule.
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A bit of information on the WWE Youtube channel: Major parameters, the growth trend and it's standing in the global ladder.










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WWE earned $2.3 million from ad revenue from YouTube videos in 2014. Even if they doubled that amount, that's just under $5 million, which is 0.7% of their entire revenue in 2015. Less than 1%! If they tripled it, it's about 7 million, which is about 1% of their revenue in 2015. Now consider that even if Reigns gets the most views, he still isn't responsible for anywhere near 100% of that very small ad revenue number.

Terrible argument to make in favor of Reigns. The guy can't draw on TV, he doesn't sell anywhere near enough merch given his level of push, and the revenue from YT videos is minuscule.
Great info. Now compare that to USA who pays them a couple hundred million dollars. We need not say anymore.

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Post Mania last year compared to Post Mania this year
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WWE Ratings have been falling for 10+ years and yet they've been signing path breaking deals every time despite the fact that WWE "T.V" viewership is down 66 % from 2000. Ratings are a factor of the times and their standard keeps on changing with the times.

On the other hand, Youtube is not just about money, it's one of the most relevant global parameters to gauge popularity of each and every performers amongst a very vast domain. Secondly T.V is on it's way down, the change is irreversible.. Internet on the other hand is well on it's way to ascendency. The growth chart of the WWE Youtube channel a post back illustrates that which makes these figures even more significant and TV Ratings more and more redundant by the day.

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WWE Ratings have been falling for 10+ years and yet they've been signing path breaking deals every time despite the fact that WWE "T.V" viewership is down 66 % from 2000. Ratings are a factor of the times and their standard keeps on changing with the times.

On the other hand, Youtube is not just about money, it's one of the most relevant global parameters to gauge popularity of each and every performers amongst a very vast domain. Secondly T.V is on it's way down, the change is irreversible.. Internet on the other hand is well on it's way to ascendency. The growth chart of the WWE Youtube channel a post back illustrates that which makes these figures even more significant and TV Ratings more and more redundant by the day.
There's almost no point in arguing this. Only on this board does social media not matter in 2016.
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There's almost no point in arguing this. Only on this board does social media not matter in 2016.

No one ever stated that. Let's look at some facts though:

NFL Facebook likes: 13,552,599
WWE Facebook likes: 31,037,477

NFL YouYube: 949,492 subscribers and 453,630,860 views
WWE YouTube: 10,729,518 subscribers and 8,465,994,576 views

NFL revenue in 2015: $12 billion
WWE revenue in 2015: $658 million

WWE dominates in social media metrics, but its revenue in comparison is laughable. Either the WWE has a large % of fake social media followers, or they are terrible at monetizing their social media following.

It's probably a mix of both. On TV for example, advertising rates for pro wrestling are exceptionally low.
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No one ever stated that. Let's look at some facts though:

NFL Facebook likes: 13,552,599
WWE Facebook likes: 31,037,477

NFL YouYube: 949,492 subscribers and 453,630,860 views
WWE YouTube: 10,729,518 subscribers and 8,465,994,576 views

NFL revenue in 2015: $12 billion
WWE revenue in 2015: $658 million

WWE dominates in social media metrics, but its revenue in comparison is laughable. Either the WWE has a large % of fake social media followers, or they are terrible at monetizing their social media following.

It's probably a mix of both. On TV for example, advertising rates for pro wrestling are exceptionally low.
Social media was outright dismissed in the last thread to the point I felt some were trolling and now some in this new thread are questioning why it's being brought up. It may not be the end all, be all, but it is a metric. I do agree that the WWE should monetize their social media following better. It's similar to an artist having 10 million Twitter followers but failing to have that audience buy their album.


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Re: **All TV Ratings, Buys, Draw Talk Here** - THE RATINGS WAR PART V - LOL Ratings

What are your thoughts on the ratings @Empress . Are they good or bad compared to the last few post Mania Raws? Also thoughts on it being the lowest in viewership and ratings in the last 19 years.

I know your opinion on the social media aspect.


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