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Ziggler vs Bryan will prove to you why Face vs Heel are no longer needed in 2015

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#1 ·
Good guy vs Bad guy are too cliche and way past its time. Personally we have evolved past the face vs heel dynamic. Hopefully if Bryan vs Ziggler feud and they remain babyface vs babyface, it will show the world why feuds don't always needs a face vs villain. Sometimes feuds just need to rely on respect. I really hope this match happens and neither are shown as the antagonist. Will be awesome! a fight for respect and a fight to steal the show!
 
#3 ·
Dolph and Bryan are the pinnacle of 'good guys'. Nothing about them screams heel. I'm talking about Ziggler current gimmick. Not the cocky showoff but the underdog that thrives to steal the show and be the best. Right now, both are way too into their good guy roles to even seen as a bad guy. This match should solemnly be good guy vs good guy. I cant buy either as a villain.
 
#4 ·
A Fight for respect or "who's the better wrestler? lets wrestle to find out!" feuds don't draw, too simplistic and lacks a good story to it, for example one of the greatest storyline's of all time is Daniel Bryan vs The Authority and it drew Huge.

Daniel Bryan vs The Authority:

Daniel Bryan wants to be the best wrestler, thus he wants to win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, he also wants to do what's morally right and enjoy the love of his fans while loving them back by entertaining them

The Authority does not want Daniel Bryan to win the World Title because they do not want him as the face of the WWE.

The Authority tries to stop Daniel Bryan at any cost from being at the top, while Daniel Bryan fights off their immorality.

Daniel Bryan vs The Authority had story, great wrestling and was fun.

A "who's the better wrestler/fight for respect" storyline is the opposite.
 
#7 ·
Disagree, sometimes face vs face are just so unpredictable it makes you second thought who could really win this. As a heel, (except if you're lesnar) you get a sense who is going to win. When you're a good guy taking on another good guy, there is that sense of unpredicability and anticipation of who is going to win. Good guy vs bad guys ended a long time ago. We no longer need that shit. Crowds don't buy in anymore unless it's good storyline material. And creative suck, so there we go.
 
#5 ·
As shown in the past couple of years. Crowd cheer for who they like. They don't buy into force-fed shit. If you're good, they like you. These two guys are good at what they do. Let the crowd choose their side. Neither need to get the crowd against them. They both are begging to be cheered... just let them bring the house down on the grandest stage of them all!
 
#12 ·
I sort of agree with you.

The thing is there maybe should be a "bad guy" and a "good guy" but the fans should be allowed to cheer for whoever they want.

It should be a fued. The two should hate each other. It doesn't have to be the "I respect you" stuff.

I just think there should be complexity. Grey Areas. Like half of the universe on one wrestlers side and the other half on another. Would even keep the matches interesting.
 
#13 ·


was watching this minutes ago, and i have to agree. bryan shouldn't be wrestling ziggler after last year's WM. it's a HUGE step down when you look at dolph and his lack of character building in the last year. i hope that this match happens on another PPV instead and not WM. no knock on ziggler.
 
#30 ·
Dolph is a geek at this point, part of the tear-inducing stable with Ryback and Rowan but it's not as if Ziggler has had less "character building" than Bryan in this last year. From MITB up to TLC they have been building him up, and they really shifted his character going into Survivor Series from the obnoxious show off to essentially what Daniel Bryan is but without the Yes chants. Bryan's character hasn't developed at all so I don't really get what you're on about.
 
#20 ·
"Feuds don't always need faces vs villains" and "face vs heel is no longer needed at all anymore" are not the exact same thing.

Both Face vs Face and occasionally Heel vs Heel matches can work obviously, but that in no way means that the old dichotomy of Face vs Heel should be tossed out completely. I personally see little excitement in watching Bryan vs Ziggler go at it. OK, fine, it'd be a great match and I wouldn't complain, but it also reeks of, "Well, you two have nothing else better to do, so why not just fight each other."
 
#21 ·
I can see the match just being a damn good match. Bryan may open Mania for the second year in a row, he just wont get to close this time as well. I could see this being a throwback to ROH style for Bryan. I think they will shake hands before and after the match and the crowd will pop for it , especially if they deliver on the match's great promise. This isnt my first choice for Bryan's Mania match, but it seems to ne the best available.
 
#25 ·
I'd love it but just because Ziggler is getting a decent opponent for a singles match at WrestleMania. I was reading that it might be the opener which I'm alright with too.
 
#33 ·
Yeah it's one thing if it's for the belt because that in itself can represent the storyline. Both guys want the same thing and then you get into how far are they willing to take it or how will the loser handle the loss.

I'm not seeing the appeal in Ziggler vs Bryan face v face to open the show with nothing on the line. It will just be them blowing each other with the fans acting like a regular 10 minute match matters too.

Ziggler vs Bryan can we make it MOTN. I'm sorry but that's not a story that's suppose to be told in wrestling.
 
#27 ·
You don't need faces vs heels but you do need two people to have a reason to fight within the storyline. Maybe it's a title, maybe it's an accomplishment like the streak, maybe they just don't fucking hate each other but you need something.

What's going on with DBVsDZ is like a new Avengers film opening and the guy playing Ultron saying he's going to try and conquer the world because he wants to work with Robert Downey Jr and he thinks their dialogue will steal the show. It wouldn't work there, it won't work here. Dolph Ziggler is a disgrace to his profession.
 
#28 ·
Good guy vs Bad guy are too cliche and way past its time. Personally we have evolved past the face vs heel dynamic. Hopefully if Bryan vs Ziggler feud and they remain babyface vs babyface, it will show the world why feuds don't always needs a face vs villain. Sometimes feuds just need to rely on respect. I really hope this match happens and neither are shown as the antagonist. Will be awesome! a fight for respect and a fight to steal the show!
"personally we" is a contradiction.

If something is personal it pertains to you... That's fine if you think that.

You aren't the spokesman for any group to my knowledge.
 
#29 ·
I wouldn't mind Ziggler turning heel honestly. If it means that post-Mania he doesn't get lost in the shuffle I'm all for it, besides, it could actually work if the circumstances were right. Ziggler could become jealous of Daniel Bryan's insane levels of support from the crowd, feeling that he works equally hard, or even harder than Bryan to steal the show every night. The feud could start as a matter of respect, though eventually over the weeks leading to Wrestlemania could become a matter of who will in fact steal the show, Bryan or Ziggler, with both men giving their all to prove who the WWE Universe should be getting behind, and thus giving them both exposure on the grandest stage of them all.
 
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