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The RAW that just wasn't there. Booking disasters, match up disasters you name it

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#1 · (Edited)

This is a breakdown of the official match times given. First let me say the disrespect Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn gives his female talent, should not be tolerated. Enough females watch this show I'm surprised many of you have not started to protest.

The yellow highlights ofcourse the low time ring talent, the females getting a whopping 7 mins 36 seconds of ring time on a 180 minute show.

Vince McMahon thinks these women are worth no more than 7 mins and 36 seconds.

Natalya and Brie, a good singles match, got a whopping 3 mins 17 secs. IDK how you women put up with that shit. Natalya gets a #1 contender spot off of this? Brie gets better but you won't see it because this is an afterthought based on the time. I wonder what's the real point of those 2-3 mins. snippet match videos the WWE youtube puts out there. You might as well post the whole match they last just about the same time.

I want to add the fighting divas champion is being made to look weak during this, which makes it tough to root for Natalya, but I doubt they see that. It's amazing because I truly think Nikki wants to prove her skeptics wrong, but she's not getting the opportunity even as champion.

Lets go to the rest of the lower matches and effects on a career.

Fandango vs Jack Swagger, Swagger has now went from guy who beat Y2J for the WWE Heavyweight Championship to Rusev's bitch, to now Fandango's jobber and now can't last in the ring with Fandango more than 2 mins 05 secs. I'd ask for my release if I were Jack Swagger. That is fucking ridiculous.

R-Truth and Adam Rose, did anybody care about anything in this match? a waste of :54 secs.

Roman Reigns vs Big Slow, the new piss break is Big Slow. I wanted to tap out watching this match. Big Show needs to retire. 4 mins. 22 secs. of ring time wasted with Roman Reigns. And 2 bad promos to boot. Make him look strong.

The Mexican tag team vs 2 Dustsuckers, this an embarrassment to the Rhodes family and they know it. 3 mins. 34 secs. TAG TEAM MATCH! Cody Rhodes and Dustin Rhodes lose that quickly. Christmas episode we won't remember.

The Miz vs Jey Uso, his rivalry is with Jimmy. I don't get this at all. But Miz goes over in 3 mins 30 secs.

The divas battle royal (excuse me 6 man tag team, late at night last night posting in frustration of the whole show), why was this on the program? and for 4 mins 19 secs. OF SOMETHING YOU ALREADY DID AT TRIBUTE TO THE FUCKING TROOPS! Paige got a good cheer from that middle section though. Why didn't they just do an in ring promo. And what does Alicia getting the pin lead to? Oh wait (didn't I tell you Alicia and Naomi would wrestle for a reason? there it is)

I would have perfered, Paige and the divas in the back giving out gifts, and Paige clocking them all and if the point was to make Alicia look strong, hit her with a box at the end like you always do to the talent. I feel these battle royals and tag matches are lazy booking, making divas look like garbage. Since the match has no damn purpose.

Now the three big matches on the program

Rollins vs Cena Part jobbing the 4,500,667th time. Seth Rollins is an incredible athlete, that is all. 15 mins 54 secs. of Seth Rollins showing you he is with out a shadow of a doubt, the best wrestler in that company.

Luke Harper vs Dolph Ziggler, man these two have chemistry. But I don't want to see these matches wasted. These should be PPVs and it comes to another thing I want to touch on, the WWE when they book Dolph for 4-5 mins. on any other match. Get some real jobbers and stop wasting the future talent. Get people in regular division college ring wear and have those tune up matches. Ideally I want to see Tyson Kidd challenge Dolph in 2015. Because they'd sure put on a show stopping performance.

Ambrose and Wyatt, good brutal holiday fun match. Crowd didn't care at the end. And it's sad because WWE is not letting Bray cut his own promos, you can tell it's scripted, and meanwhile the fans just don't believe these people are serious about pushing these guys for some reason. It starts with a letter "C" figure it out. 21 mins. 25 secs. These guys are going to kill their selves and the crowd doesn't know it.


The booking allowed 69 mins 08 secs of wrestling on a 180 mins. show promotion.

So 1/3 of that show. was wrestling. And IMO 21 mins and 21 seconds led to no real storyline development.

Do Kevin Dunn and Vince McMahon even try? How does anyone with stock in this company, see that poor booking, that poor roster development, usage, and that poor commentating. That commentating is trash.

You go through this, hey I'll give credit on 3 things. Ziggler, Reigns and Wyatt were booked well. But then those are your real future main event guys. Meanwhile the divas aren't allowed to do anything.

The NXT call ups Emma, Paige, Adam Rose (Leo Kruger), Tyson Kidd (yes I'll call him an NXT guy too if I feel like it), Seth Rollins. The booking to put them in anything really relevant is lacking.

Why aren't Paige and Alica and Emma having their own rivalries?

Why is Adam Rose still here?

Why isn't Tyson Kidd doing more singles matches?

Where is CeFUCKINGsaro!

Why is Brie Bella all the sudden the girl that gets beat to make someone #1 contender for the divas championship?

Why is Nikki Bella not at the commentating desk or with a mic cutting a promo? This girl has done amazing things in her short run and they haven't allowed it.

STOP BOOKING JOHN CENA AGAINST SETH ROLLINS!!! The bumps the kid keeps taking him is not beneficial to his full career. Can he get just ONE! ONE! clean pin. That's all we ask for!!! You're killing his reputation!

God Vince McMahon is such a garbage man. No grapefruit having tool!

This is why your promotion is not interesting and getting cat calls and troll crowds.

 
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#4 ·
It wasn't a divas battle royal match, it was a 6 divas tag team match. For a Paige fan I would have assumed you would have liked it since the crowd loved her and she got some time in the ring to wrestle, which she hasn't been given the chance to do so on Raw for well over a month, sadly.

But I do agree with your other points!
 
#5 ·
It was the same type of crap they got for Tribute To The Troops. A random match, a clusterfuck of divas not getting proper exposure. We didn't need Cameron, we didn't need Summer, we didn't need Emma in that match last night. That and the fact still remains 4:19 was the match time. And it hardly got any reaction other than a few Paige marks in the mid section. (which I'm glad she got and hopes it continues)

My problem was with the whole booking of this wrestling promotion's show. With an owner claiming to want it's talent to grab the proverbial brass ring and just feeding it crumbs all around.
 
#7 ·
Excellent post K4, hit nearly all the buttons I felt about this craptacular show.

Only remotely enjoyable thing was Ziggler/Harper, the Bray/Ambrose match (sans the finish) and the cheers Paige got; the rest of it was shit.
 
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#9 ·
Excellent post K4, hit nearly all the buttons I felt about this craptacular show.
Bro I'm livid how Bray Wyatt ends up in the hospital (real life, realtalk) to a feud these people don't even allow him to be himself. You can hear the scripted nature of his promos. Bray is an amazing talker who is now being reduced to "what?" chants.

And Dean Ambrose good performer, they are getting main event time, but not main event man treatment.
 
#11 ·
Agreed with you on your point about needing to use enhancement talent. If they want the matches between the top guys to mean anything, they have to keep them as far apart on TV as humanly possible.

Its extremely difficult to ask the fans to get excited about a matchup that they've seen on free tv 3-4 times already. To be completely honest, the only time we should see main eventers take a clean pin is on a ppv.
 
#14 ·
How many times haven't we seen Rollins vs Cena??? and we know the ending, week after week the man goes against Cena, in the old days, he'd pick up something with all these 1 on 1 matches and get a clean victory, thus making it a real rivalry in which the heel can ACTUALLY CLEANLY PIN HIM! But Vince and Dunn continue this dried out, this is the feud, this is the ending, week after week in every town. And the casual viewer wants to throw his television set out the window.

Hey I actually liked the possibility of Cena vs Rollins, now I'm at the point if I hear this for a PPV main event I'm not watching it.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Agreed with all. The booking has been atrocious lately and the storyline development nearly nonexistent.

Seth needs to be far away from Cena. He is being made into Cena's bitch and it makes Zero sense. Fucking hell, Seth was legit considered a top heel before this fuckery.

I'm tired of this 50/50 booking with Bray and Dean. It's not benefitting either of them, especially Dean. It's just a bunch of gimmick matches that has out stayed their welcome. Please let these two move on.

And I'm tired of seeing Roman facing big slow fucks like Show and Kane. Roman is green and needs to be carried. Big Show and Kane are not the answers. Matter fact, I'm just tired of seeing WWE push a guy before he's ready. Do they not care they can possibly ruin his first push :no:

And you know the saddest part??? Everyone above are who Vince considers are grabbing for the brass ring. So why are they getting booking detrimental to their careers fpalm

FANDANGO just squashes Swagger??? Are you freaking serious?? It was bad enough I had to watch Roman actually sell for this non-factor, but now we are sacrificing better and more over talents to a dude no one cares about??? A jobber to the stars?! Smh

Divas. Don't even get me started on the disrespect they are clearly shown. They all should wish they could be back down at NXT :no:

The fact going to the main roster from NXT can actually be considered a demotion fpalm
 
#17 · (Edited)
TBH, the Divas match felt much more crisp instead of like another clusterfuck :draper2. I expected a disaster and left very pleased. 4 minutes is more than they usually get too. Sad to say, but it's true.

Don't know why people are surprised that Cena pinned Seth. 1. It's Cena :cena3 2. Seth has looked like a baby back bitch since The Authority split. Ryback's pinned him, Ziggler's pinned him and Cena's pinned him. That's it, he's done. Every top babyface has gone over him, and all on FREE television. He poses no threat whatsoever without the geek squad.
 
#19 ·

This is a breakdown of the official match times given. First let me say the disrespect Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn gives his female talent, should not be tolerated. Enough females watch this show I'm surprised many of you have not started to protest.

The yellow highlights ofcourse the low time ring talent, the females getting a whopping 7 mins 36 seconds of ring time on a 180 minute show.

Vince McMahon thinks these women are worth no more than 7 mins and 36 seconds.

Natalya and Brie, a good singles match, got a whopping 3 mins 17 secs. IDK how you women put up with that shit. Natalya gets a #1 contender spot off of this? Brie gets better but you won't see it because this is an afterthought based on the time. I wonder what's the real point of those 2-3 mins. snippet match videos the WWE youtube puts out there. You might as well post the whole match they last just about the same time.

I want to add the fighting divas champion is being made to look weak during this, which makes it tough to root for Natalya, but I doubt they see that. It's amazing because I truly think Nikki wants to prove her skeptics wrong, but she's not getting the opportunity even as champion.

Lets go to the rest of the lower matches and effects on a career.

Fandango vs Jack Swagger, Swagger has now went from guy who beat Y2J for the WWE Heavyweight Championship to Rusev's bitch, to now Fandango's jobber and now can't last in the ring with Fandango more than 2 mins 05 secs. I'd ask for my release if I were Jack Swagger. That is fucking ridiculous.

R-Truth and Adam Rose, did anybody care about anything in this match? a waste of :54 secs.

Roman Reigns vs Big Slow, the new piss break is Big Slow. I wanted to tap out watching this match. Big Show needs to retire. 4 mins. 22 secs. of ring time wasted with Roman Reigns. And 2 bad promos to boot. Make him look strong.

The Mexican tag team vs 2 Dustsuckers, this an embarrassment to the Rhodes family and they know it. 3 mins. 34 secs. TAG TEAM MATCH! Cody Rhodes and Dustin Rhodes lose that quickly. Christmas episode we won't remember.

The Miz vs Jey Uso, his rivalry is with Jimmy. I don't get this at all. But Miz goes over in 3 mins 30 secs.

The divas battle royal (excuse me 6 man tag team, late at night last night posting in frustration of the whole show), why was this on the program? and for 4 mins 19 secs. OF SOMETHING YOU ALREADY DID AT TRIBUTE TO THE FUCKING TROOPS! Paige got a good cheer from that middle section though. Why didn't they just do an in ring promo. And what does Alicia getting the pin lead to? Oh wait (didn't I tell you Alicia and Naomi would wrestle for a reason? there it is)

I would have perfered, Paige and the divas in the back giving out gifts, and Paige clocking them all and if the point was to make Alicia look strong, hit her with a box at the end like you always do to the talent. I feel these battle royals and tag matches are lazy booking, making divas look like garbage. Since the match has no damn purpose.

Now the three big matches on the program

Rollins vs Cena Part jobbing the 4,500,667th time. Seth Rollins is an incredible athlete, that is all. 15 mins 54 secs. of Seth Rollins showing you he is with out a shadow of a doubt, the best wrestler in that company.

Luke Harper vs Dolph Ziggler, man these two have chemistry. But I don't want to see these matches wasted. These should be PPVs and it comes to another thing I want to touch on, the WWE when they book Dolph for 4-5 mins. on any other match. Get some real jobbers and stop wasting the future talent. Get people in regular division college ring wear and have those tune up matches. Ideally I want to see Tyson Kidd challenge Dolph in 2015. Because they'd sure put on a show stopping performance.

Ambrose and Wyatt, good brutal holiday fun match. Crowd didn't care at the end. And it's sad because WWE is not letting Bray cut his own promos, you can tell it's scripted, and meanwhile the fans just don't believe these people are serious about pushing these guys for some reason. It starts with a letter "C" figure it out. 21 mins. 25 secs. These guys are going to kill their selves and the crowd doesn't know it.


The booking allowed 69 mins 08 secs of wrestling on a 180 mins. show promotion.

So 1/3 of that show. was wrestling. And IMO 21 mins and 21 seconds led to no real storyline development.

Do Kevin Dunn and Vince McMahon even try? How does anyone with stock in this company, see that poor booking, that poor roster development, usage, and that poor commentating. That commentating is trash.

You go through this, hey I'll give credit on 3 things. Ziggler, Reigns and Wyatt were booked well. But then those are your real future main event guys. Meanwhile the divas aren't allowed to do anything.

The NXT call ups Emma, Paige, Adam Rose (Leo Kruger), Tyson Kidd (yes I'll call him an NXT guy too if I feel like it), Seth Rollins. The booking to put them in anything really relevant is lacking.

Why aren't Paige and Alica and Emma having their own rivalries?

Why is Adam Rose still here?

Why isn't Tyson Kidd doing more singles matches?

Where is CeFUCKINGsaro!

Why is Brie Bella all the sudden the girl that gets beat to make someone #1 contender for the divas championship?

Why is Nikki Bella not at the commentating desk or with a mic cutting a promo? This girl has done amazing things in her short run and they haven't allowed it.

STOP BOOKING JOHN CENA AGAINST SETH ROLLINS!!! The bumps the kid keeps taking him is not beneficial to his full career. Can he get just ONE! ONE! clean pin. That's all we ask for!!! You're killing his reputation!

God Vince McMahon is such a garbage man. No grapefruit having tool!

This is why your promotion is not interesting and getting cat calls and troll crowds.

Bro I'm livid how Bray Wyatt ends up in the hospital (real life, realtalk) to a feud these people don't even allow him to be himself. You can hear the scripted nature of his promos. Bray is an amazing talker who is now being reduced to "what?" chants.

And Dean Ambrose good performer, they are getting main event time, but not main event man treatment.

Good points bro but this part about Bray Wyatt having scripted promos is all wrong. Check out this interview with him where he says he does his own stuff and if they gave him a script he'd just throw it out. It starts at about the 1:04 mark and goes to about the 2:32 mark. Here it is:
 
#20 ·
Good points bro but this part about Bray Wyatt having scripted promos is all wrong. Check out this interview with him where he says he does his own stuff and if they gave him a script he'd just throw it out. It starts at about the 1:04 mark and goes to about the 2:32 mark. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w_xAqqfd3s
Well yesterday, that wasn't him. And I know this because it reminds me when DeadSpin got their hands on his script and saw it was WWE creative written. Last night that sounded like a WWE script. Not him. If it was him, then that was bad.
 
#25 ·
RAW's like these is the reason why I watch the shorter youtube videos on it. From the sound of this rant I didn't miss much. As a women I would like to say that yes I agree with all of your points and is disgusted that Vince treats his Diva's like this. If he isn't gonna give them time to work a proper match then why give them time at all? This is a huge farcry from the matches we used to get from this division in the attitude era and especially the ruthless aggression era. But I'm glad Paige gotten some cheers in that match.:) Glad to still see she has support despite how badly mistreated her booking is post AJ feud.

I am livid that they continue to make Seth look weak when he's losing on free television like this. What gives? How can you expect him to be a threat and the future of the WWE if he's losing left & right to people like John Cena, Dolph Ziggler, RYBACK etc. I mean I know that people with the money in the bank is suppose to take losses sometimes to make the cash in more surprising but that's besides the point when your damaging his long term reputation. He's literally the best superstar on the roster and they booking him like a chump. Disgraceful.
 
#26 ·
the thing that gets me is how the WWE has people paying $100 + per seating at RAW in some cases. And most those people from the sound of it paid to see the future of the WWE showcased and actually succeed.

You're not paying all this money to see him job to the past. How in any shape or form is this suppose to be money well spent? when is Seth Rollins, when is Dolph Ziggler, when are these people allowed to succeed?
 
#27 · (Edited)
We've all been watching the same episode of Raw for the past six months.

I mean how many fucking times do we have to see Cena make Rollins his bitch? How many times have we seen the fucking bullfighters against the Dust Bros? It's fucking ridiculous. And to have to sit there and listen to fucking Cole and JBL fake laugh and act like El Torito is the funniest thing they've ever seen when he just does the exact same shit he's been doing since he debuted. I just fucking can't anymore.

And then I have to sit there and listen to Cole rundown the entire roster. "I know lots of guys that are as talented as Rollins" FUCK YOU. JUST FUCKING FUCK YOU. You should be putting the man over you fucking twat. You should be calling him a one in a billion athlete. You amateur fuck. How could you work with JR for so fucking long and still have no clue how to announce a god damn wrestling show? Stop trying to put yourself over you stupid fucking asshole. At least act like your a fucking fan of wrestling you fucking weasel.

I don't get how Vince can fucking sit there in Gorilla and listen to this douche bag run down his roster and then send out these 150lb fucking celebrities to punk out his fucking wrestlers on a god damn near weekly basis.


I've been eating crabby cakes all day as you can tell. :leslie
 
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