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Old 11-28-2013, 08:35 PM   #71 (permalink)
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It's outright despicable to see people bringing "DRAWING" and "MAINSTREAM APPEAL" into this, but then again, this forum is a cesspool of alternate accounts, relentless trolling, lenient moderation and idiotic people.
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:40 PM   #73 (permalink)
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There's the point.. All you're really limited when it comes to evaluate what is marketable or not.

A match like Cena vs Rock is BIGGER than usual, a match between Punk and Bryan still perfectly to book for the unified title, because they the most over/populars guys of this generation. When you know that two wrestlers are going to steal the show, promoting the match is.. Work easy.
This is where you are wrong.

Bryan is in no way "the most over guy of this generation". Not in the demographic the WWE needs to reach for Mania.


Unless you are a regular viewer of wrestling you have no clue who Daniel Bryan is, and if someone showed random people a picture of the guy and told them his name try would have no recognition of who he is.


Hell, look at the Poster in your sig. Take ScSa put because he's not gonna be there.... Who outside of wrestling fans knows who either of those guys are? Nobody.

Can't sell it.
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:43 PM   #74 (permalink)
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They don't have what it takes to Main Event Mania.

Because what it takes to Main Event Mania in 2013 is mainstream appeal and Bryan in particular doesn't have that.


Punk could main event, but not without Cena to handle the media stuff. Bryan probably couldn't.... Unless, and that's a big unless, his appearance on total divas creates some sort of buzz... And even then, it's would have to be against Cena

Punk vs Bryan just doesn't work.
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If Rock/Cena was the second to last match two years ago, and Punk/Jericho main evented, would it have affected your oh so important buyrates?
NO

Because John/Rock was your mainstream appeal match. The placement on the card didn't matter.

If we get Cena/Taker, Brock/Taker, Rock/Brock, GOldberg/Anyone
Any of those would be the mainstream appeal match.

That's why Punk/Bryan would be a perfect main event. Because it would solidify both of them as Megastars.
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It's outright despicable to see people bringing "DRAWING" and "MAINSTREAM APPEAL" into this, but then again, this forum is a cesspool of alternate accounts, relentless trolling, lenient moderation and idiotic people.
You disagree that mainstream appeal isn't a huge factor into the WWE's booking these days?

I counter with the 7 on 7 Total Divas match on a PPV card based on a reality show. Where the champs team with the superior in ring talents lost. Then lost the rematch.
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You disagree that mainstream appeal isn't a huge factor into the WWE's booking these days?

I counter with the 7 on 7 Total Divas match on a PPV card based on a reality show. Where the champs team with the superior in ring talents lost. Then lost the rematch.
Daniel Bryan defeated John Cena clean in the main event of Summerslam. Mainstream appeal is a factor, but it's sure as hell not the factor that weights the most when deciding who gets to close Wrestlemania
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It will. I can't believe how many "SMARKS" fail to understand how the business works.

I'll just repost this:



Bryan and Punk shouldn't main event because it's a drawing match. It should main-event because it would launch both of them into Mega Stardom.
Fucking oath, so much truth.

It's this mindframe that exists in the WWE, people within the WWE are scared it could flop etc. They are the 2 most over performers in the industry right now, not in smark cities, not in their home cities in every single city of every single show Punk and Bryan out pop the whole roster by a mile. Their the 2 best in ring workers in the industry, Punk has versed the big 4 and put in MOTY performances or memorable moments in each and every match. Bryan is one of the greatest in ring performers I've seen in years and these 2 are the main reason I still watch this shit.

If their gonna continue with this mindframe that either Cena, Rock, Taker, HHH etc don't close Mania then it'll flop is a joke. How the fuck are they gonna survive once these guys are gone? They need to start now and do it this year. A unification match between Punk and Bryan, face vs face, the crowd would be electric, Punk will earn the one thing left that has alluded him and transform him into a megastar, and Bryan will be solidified as the future face of the industry and catapult him to super stardom.

Fuck off with that it shouldn't happen, that they don't deserve it, that it won't sell. No one on the planet deserves to close Mania more then Punk, anyone with a half a brain would know how much potential this match has.

It's time a lot of people around here and the WWE wake up and realise there's a potential pot of gold sitting at Mania 30. They just need to jump at it.
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It won't happen because it shouldn't. Neither one is big enough to carry the prestige of a big match like that. Both need a bigger star (Cena) to carry the prestige of the match. Punk vs Bryan for the title would be a footnote even if it was a unification match in the presence of Taker, Brock, Rock, whoever having their matches.

If anything the OP should have "#worstforbusiness" after it. Their crowd reactions don't matter; that match leading the card would cost WWE roughly 10 million in lost buyrates if not even more (about 150k lost buys imo).

This is neccessarily a knock on either guy as being a bum, because they're not. Point is, together they simply aren't relevant enough to sell that. Apart, either one against Cena would sell much better than them vs eachother. If they had to be in the match it'd be Cena/Punk >>>>> Cena/Bryan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Punk/Bryan.

Cena vs any main eventer or select upper midcarder in the same match with that story wrapped around it would probably pull better buyrates than Punk/Bryan imo. It has nothing to do with Vince, and everything to do with the money that would be lost in doing that. Wrestlemania is about the cash, not pleasing smark fans or furthering the careers of smark favorites at the cost of huge amounts of money.

Wrestlemania is and will always be about dat paper. They have to make the show they know the most people will pay the most money to see.
This.

I like both Punk & Bryan, but if that was the main selling point for WRESTLEMANIA 30? NO BUYS.

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Daniel Bryan defeated John Cena clean in the main event of Summerslam. Mainstream appeal is a factor, but it's sure as hell not the factor that weights the most when deciding who gets to close Wrestlemania
Well, in April, lets see who closes Mania.... Because the last two years it's been the top guy in the company and the biggest action star in America.



Your Jericho/Punk post earlier... You realize that validates my point, right? The WWE title played second fiddle to Mainstream appeal. Thanks for that, I forgot.
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This.

I like both Punk & Bryan, but if that was the main selling point for WRESTLEMANIA 30? NO BUYS.
I swear, it's like arguing with brick walls

Also, why don't you post a few more smilies. Might make you feel a little less pathetic.
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