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Old 12-01-2013, 07:34 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Say what you want about the booking, but I have a real problem with the live crowds as of late. They completely shit all over anything that is not Daniel Bryan in the main event. And not in a justifiable way where you could confidently state that the segment was horrible, such as a dance-off segment.

Even during a main event promo after a PPV, where it is not obvious which the next feud will be, the crowd completely shits all over the segment before it even gets started with a "Daniel Bryan" and "Yes" chant. To me, this is extremely disrespectful to the performers in the ring.

Could you see this happening back in 2004 when Triple H and Shawn Michaels were feuding for what seemed like the one-hundredth time? Imagine an "Eddie" or "Benoit" chant randomly breaking out in that situation. It would be disrespectful then, just as it is now.

And in case you blind marks still don't get it, just imagine a main event with Bryan and Punk, only for "Ziggler" chants to break out. Would that be acceptable?

If the fans want Bryan in the main event, then cheer him during his segments and buy his merchandise. Sabotaging the whole show just because your favorite wrestler is not the champion is really petty, and I don't see why the people on this forum are tolerating it.


Man stfu please..this is the second thread i've seen you whining about this...

GET OVER IT...

The crowd isn't happy with Orton right now, they paid fucking tickets, stop whining because they're shitting on Cena/Orton. Most of the crowds don't want to see those fucking two again.

WWE is supposedto be about the fans...they've clearly been ignoring the fans for years now. Shitting on a Cena/Orton match is a great way of showing the WWE how you feel..and it also shows what WWE thinks of their fans...they know we don't approve yet will continue to go along and not change a damn thing.
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Old 12-01-2013, 11:57 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Say what you want about the booking, but I have a real problem with the live crowds as of late. They completely shit all over anything that is not Daniel Bryan in the main event. And not in a justifiable way where you could confidently state that the segment was horrible, such as a dance-off segment.

Even during a main event promo after a PPV, where it is not obvious which the next feud will be, the crowd completely shits all over the segment before it even gets started with a "Daniel Bryan" and "Yes" chant. To me, this is extremely disrespectful to the performers in the ring.

Could you see this happening back in 2004 when Triple H and Shawn Michaels were feuding for what seemed like the one-hundredth time? Imagine an "Eddie" or "Benoit" chant randomly breaking out in that situation. It would be disrespectful then, just as it is now.

And in case you blind marks still don't get it, just imagine a main event with Bryan and Punk, only for "Ziggler" chants to break out. Would that be acceptable?

If the fans want Bryan in the main event, then cheer him during his segments and buy his merchandise. Sabotaging the whole show just because your favorite wrestler is not the champion is really petty, and I don't see why the people on this forum are tolerating it.
The reason they chant Daniel Bryan as much as possible is because the crowds are protesting him being yet again sent back to the Midcard all because Cena and Orton want to have the big moment of unifying the belts all to themselves. The fact that the first new era unified champion is going to be one of the fuckers that has already essentially dominated the last decade already is just fucked up to me. Why would they not want the first new undisputed champion to be a guy they could ride through the next decade? Cena and Orton are going to retire within the next 10 years, Bank on it.

John Cena is turning 37 soon...Let that sink in for a minute. Yes, its not out of the question for a guy to continue wrestling at some level until his late 40 or even his 50s. However he will at some point start showing signs of his age, and will become that craft vet that is mostly there to push the young guys...How many more years at the top do people really think he has in him? You look at the longest pushes any guys were ever given as the face of a wrestling company and I think Cena already has the record, or is damn close to it. Not only that, but its a sheer fact that over half of the last decade, John Cena was the champion, over two thirds of the time, he was competing for the championship, John Cena in one Decade has the second longest title reign in the past 25 years, and has won the WWE championship 11 times, the WHC 3 times, Total of 14 title reigns in 10 years, and is on course to be the first new undisputed champion. It begs the question of what else is left for this dude to do and, honestly he does not have much more time to do it. The crowds are so sick of John Cena right now that the ratings for anything he is on, is lower than something without him. They boo him out of every arena and people are just so sick of this guy it hurts. He literally has been THE GUY for over a decade.

Orton is largely in the same boat about not being a young guy anymore, He is 33 which is not really that old all things considering, BUT he has been wrestling at the top for a long time, since 2000, Further, he already has 2 strikes on his wellness policy which is another reason I believe Cena will get the strap come the PPV time. But the main thing with him is that he is essentially the guy that is champion whenever Cena isn't. These two have fought so many times that its literally impossible to get excited for it again. He has been WWE champion 8 times, WHC 3 times, total of 11 title reigns. I love Orton, and have honestly always felt he was better than Cena (kinda like how a lot of us liked Savage more than Hogan, even though Hogan was always booked better) but Orton has even worn on me.

Further, both of these guys are royal rumble winners, former tag team champions, former IC champions, US champions, MITB winners...and have main evented nearly every PPV between them for years...To sum up that entire rant...WE ARE SICK OF ORTON VS CENA!!!

Why they would not want to go with Punk vs bryan...I just dont understand that, and yes I am aware Punk and Bryan are also in their 30s, what I mostly look at is how long they have been at the top level
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Old 12-01-2013, 01:29 PM   #93 (permalink)
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This can't be the worst year because it's the year Total Divas debuted. People will look back on this like they look back on Vinnie Mac announcing the Attitude Era.
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:42 PM   #94 (permalink)
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The product was good, but after Summerslam, it's like the WWE got a brainfart after that, i read somewhere they hired writers that were actually writing for opera plays.
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I can't get over how poor Raw was this week. The product as a whole has been lacking ever since the Big Show supplanted Bryan in the main event. Vince and Triple H are obsessed with stars from that era. Bryan was breaking. Pumping the proverbial brakes isn't how you build a star; running with them is.

Raw notes:

-The Cena/Orton opener wasn't poorly executed but it shouldn't be a program. I've seen it a million times. Neither guy is relevant in this context. That's not how you make a star. Well executed, but it should be Punk and Bryan in these roles. Are they not listening to crowds? They're chanting for Bryan in every Orton/HHH segment.

-As much of the product has been for two years or so now, the Strahan segment made things murky. Is Miz not a heel? Why is he pandering to Strahan? Titus became a face recently; why is he mocking Strahan? Furthermore, why would Strahan like that he's being mocked? Foolish booking that goes against the fundamental elements of pro wrestling.

-The doofus backstage that watched the Survivor Series divas match and said, "That was great! More people need to see that. Let's just do it again," needs to be fired. The fact that this was my hour-mark segment is an absolute joke. NOBODY cares about these divas. They're all awful. If A.J. ditched the "crazy" shtick and they just let her talk, there might be a Punk-esque breakthrough there. But no.

- A Wyatt in a comedy segment with Strahan and Santino. Bravo, WWE. That's how you sell a character as twisted.

-The main event was boring garbage. The Big Show is terrible and needs to retire.

TNA sucks. WWE has been shoddy and murky since the Miz wrestlemania. A shame that I can't catch well-booked pro wrestling.
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Old 12-01-2013, 11:30 PM   #96 (permalink)
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I can't get over how poor Raw was this week. The product as a whole has been lacking ever since the Big Show supplanted Bryan in the main event. Vince and Triple H are obsessed with stars from that era. Bryan was breaking. Pumping the proverbial brakes isn't how you build a star; running with them is.

Raw notes:

-The Cena/Orton opener wasn't poorly executed but it shouldn't be a program. I've seen it a million times. Neither guy is relevant in this context. That's not how you make a star. Well executed, but it should be Punk and Bryan in these roles. Are they not listening to crowds? They're chanting for Bryan in every Orton/HHH segment.

-As much of the product has been for two years or so now, the Strahan segment made things murky. Is Miz not a heel? Why is he pandering to Strahan? Titus became a face recently; why is he mocking Strahan? Furthermore, why would Strahan like that he's being mocked? Foolish booking that goes against the fundamental elements of pro wrestling.

-The doofus backstage that watched the Survivor Series divas match and said, "That was great! More people need to see that. Let's just do it again," needs to be fired. The fact that this was my hour-mark segment is an absolute joke. NOBODY cares about these divas. They're all awful. If A.J. ditched the "crazy" shtick and they just let her talk, there might be a Punk-esque breakthrough there. But no.

- A Wyatt in a comedy segment with Strahan and Santino. Bravo, WWE. That's how you sell a character as twisted.

-The main event was boring garbage. The Big Show is terrible and needs to retire.

TNA sucks. WWE has been shoddy and murky since the Miz wrestlemania. A shame that I can't catch well-booked pro wrestling.

i may be wrong, but wasn't DB "demoted" so to speak because he wasn't drawing? smarks make a lot of noise which is probably why we all think their points of view reflect wrestling fans in general, but i was under the impression that db as a main eventer was hurting the ratings... maybe i'm wrong, though

i'm sure survivor series will do terrible numbers, though. partly because the big show should be NOWHERE near a main event, and the cena/adr feud was a.) random, b.) the same thing from like 2011, and c.) boring.
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2007 was the worst year. John Cena was crammed down our throats as an "against the odds yet unstoppable champion" with the only good matches being against Shawn Michaels yet it being predictable because the last world title HBK had won was in 2002 so the end result was obvious. When they could have spent some time spreading out the title and building Cena's character....they chose to use it to feed every monster to him. Yes some of you will say "but HBK, Undertaker, Edge, Batista, HHH were all regular wrestlers then" and while that may be true, it doesn't change the fact that the top title on Raw was held by the most hated babyface of all time and was the first indication of the WWE brass not giving two fucks about what the fans wanted because when heels get cheered louder than the faces, you have a problem.

Cena had a 5 month title reign this year which was acceptable because it was utilized to ultimately put over Daniel Bryan, which was screwed up by the top brass as a way to put over Randy Orton....good way to build new stars. If the WWE truly wanted to make a lot of money, they would focus on building multiple stars and having them ALL be top draws. CM Punk did it himself (with the help of Heyman).....Daniel Bryan came up with the Yes idea and ran with it.

This year has been up and down, but certainly not the worst year. It started off with two solid Rock-Punk matches. Then the WWE Title took a shit with the Cena-Ryback feud (another example of the top brass feeding a newcomer to Cena)....while I am not happy with Orton being pushed instead of Bryan, their matches have been solid and while not booked as I would have booked it, gave Orton some heat.

In case you're wondering......if I were booking this shit
NOC-Orton gets himself DQed, Bryan goes nuts on him.....feud continues...Orton still champion
Battleground: Orton pins Bryan-Orton had help from the Shield
HIAC: HBK is still referee.....HBK gets knocked out during the match and HHH pedigrees Bryan again. Orton pins him and an unknowing HBK counts to 3. Turning HBK heel for one night was a big waste of time.,.....

Bryan-Orton feud over.......Bryan-HHH feud begins.....

Survivor Series: Bryan vs HHH or Bryan vs Sheamus acting for HHH.
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well, this is definitely the least interested in the wwe i've been in many years. not the worst ever, but yes pretty boring. btw, cena's return has done nothing for making it better. if anything, only made it even more predictable and same old shit. speaks volumes about his worth.

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Old 12-02-2013, 01:50 AM   #99 (permalink)
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This is definitely not their worst year.

But I honestly feel like the WWE has again wasted an incredible opportunity with this Authority angle.
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Not the worst year, but still pretty damn bad in my opinion. The mid card is still in a weird spot, CM Punk, probably the best heel in a long long time, was given a crappy face turn that IMO hasn't been worth watching. Ditto with Mark Henry, great heel but they turn him face and his stock lowers almost immediately. The tag division is much much better, but it still feels like they are missing something. The tag teams that are actual teams that have been established for a little while don't actually get the titles, and most of the matches feel really repetitive. ADR was involved in almost all the WHC matches and he did nothing to elevate the belt. Cena is still winning everything and still getting boo'ed, he did put over Daniel Bryan but McMahon had a change of heart really fast and Daniel Bryan is still on the verge of being an established main eventer, but not quite there. I could go on, but I'm lazy lol.
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