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Old 02-24-2013, 08:28 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I don't think Russo can take all the credit for his contribution to the "peak of human creativity" though. Ed Ferrara was very influential, perhaps more so than Russo, in making all of those angles and characters so great. You know what they say. Behind every great man there is an even greater woman. Luckily for Ed, he had Russo right behind him.
Definitely, Ferrara has a great mind for the business too. It was Russo who brought him in, remember. I feel like Russo has always worked best when it is him with one other person. Russo/Ferrara in WWF/WCW and then Russo/Conway for a few months in TNA, before Hogan and Bischoff came in.
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Ferrara was just Russo's excess creativity embodied.
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Those guys are well happy being enhancement talents. Kidd doesn't mind, I hear he enjoys it. Hawkins is just happy to be there.
The only time were Curt Hawkins was relevant in the last 5 years was a segment with Heath Slater and Flo Rida at WrestleMania 28
and I doubt that Tyson Kidd enjoys being only an enhancement talent despite being part of the WWE main roster for 4 years. Maybe someone like Kofi Kingston would not care who cares only for his PlayStation but Kidd is someone who was trained in the Dungeon and proved that he had the passion.

I bet this talented guys would rather play Undertaker's minions, Mr. McMahon's bodyguards or kayfabe brothers of Dolph Ziggler with Russo as head writer and appear every week on Raw than to wrestle for months random, irrelevant matches on NXT and WWE Superstars.
And what makes the situation even more awkward with guys like Kidd or Hawkins is that they are not someone like Leo Kruger, Richie Steamboat or Connor O'Brian who never made it to the main roster. Hawkins and Kidd are guys who won Tag Team gold and wrestled on PPVs. Hawkins part of the Edge stable and Kidd as a member of the Hart Dynasty who was in the same segments like Bret Hart. 10-20 years ago being even mentioned in the same sentence like a wrestling legend was a push enough but Kidd and Hawkins became irrelevant overnight because the writing team is incompetent and they screwed it up.
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Kidds injured.

Hawkins has been irrelevant ever since Tyler Reks retired from the company, they were actually mildly entertaining as a tag team.
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Tyson Kidd's momentum was killed actually 3 times in only 3 years before the injury.
First time: The Hart Dynasty was over mainly because of Bret, the smart people in the creative decided to break up the team only to do nothing with them

Second time: he started to have this segments with various managers like Michael Hayes or Jimmy Hart only to drop the angle

Third time: his win over Tensai and qualifying for the Money in the Bank match was well received by fans. So what is the best idea for a guy who starts to get over? Put him in a random tag team

Hawkins was a tag team with Reks and they did nothing relevant, their biggest accomplishment is being the victims of Ryback. They only appeared in random backstage segments with Santino, Slater, Hornswoggle and the B-list celebrities
btw remember when Tyler Reks started to get over with his psycho heel gimmick in 2010? Of course the creative had this great idea to turn him into a smiling babyface as part of a random tag team
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:24 AM   #56 (permalink)
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DualShock is completely right on this guys, I don't know how you can even argue against it.. so much irrational Russo hate that you stare logic in the face and say no?

It's a fact that if Russo was writing the show, Kidd (before he got injured) would be on a much higher place on the card. Remember, in WCW, Russo even found regular stuff for a guy like Lash Leroux to do, AND kept it entertaining. Same deal in WWF with guys like Funaki and Kurrgan.

In current WWE, Tyson Kidd doesn't even get a single chance to break out on TV, because he is rarely even booked to appear. And the odd times that he does, it is only as a jobber to put someone else over. Same deal with Yoshi Tatsu, Curt Hawkins etc. Why the hell do WWE even pay these guys if they are not going to use them?

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DualShock is completely right on this guys, I don't know how you can even argue against it.. so much irrational Russo hate that you stare logic in the face and say no?

It's a fact that if Russo was writing the show, Kidd (before he got injured) would be on a much higher place on the card. Remember, in WCW, Russo even found regular stuff for a guy like Lash Leroux to do, AND kept it entertaining. Same deal in WWF with guys like Funaki and Kurrgan.

In current WWE, Tyson Kidd doesn't even get a single chance to break out on TV, because he is rarely even booked to appear. And the odd times that he does, it is only as a jobber to put someone else over. Same deal with Yoshi Tatsu, Curt Hawkins etc. Why the hell do WWE even pay these guys if they are not going to use them?
Oh man, that's awesome, all hail Russotopia.
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In current WWE, Tyson Kidd doesn't even get a single chance to break out on TV, because he is rarely even booked to appear. And the odd times that he does, it is only as a jobber to put someone else over. Same deal with Yoshi Tatsu, Curt Hawkins etc. Why the hell do WWE even pay these guys if they are not going to use them?
They are being used though: as jobbers. They are just as important as any other wrestler. Their job is to make the other wrestler look strong and credible and eat the pin. If they fired all the "jobbers" then that would mean they'd have to make another, more credible wrestler look bad, making them look less credible. So yeah, jobbers are important.
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They are being used though: as jobbers. They are just as important as any other wrestler. Their job is to make the other wrestler look strong and credible and eat the pin. If they fired all the "jobbers" then that would mean they'd have to make another, more credible wrestler look bad, making them look less credible. So yeah, jobbers are important.
But that's the point and it proves how incompetent the current creative is. Hawkins and Kidd are not simply jobbers, they are midcarders turned into jobbers only because the creative are a bunch of idiots.
Tyson Kidd: his first PPV appearance was a huge 14 man tag team match at Bragging Rights where he fought legends like Kane and Chris Jericho and teamed with other legends like Shawn Michaels and Triple H. He won his first tag team gold against a team and one member of the team was none other than the huge Big Show.
Curt Hawkins: he hasn't even debuted properly and he became part of the La Familia stable and played a role in one of the most important WrestleMania 24 storylines where he fought with Edge, Ryder and chavo against the Undertaker.
The current idiots basically take a rookie, threw him into hot water and big storylines and even championship matches and after a couple of months they don't know how to use them and they become jobbers. The jobbers in the 80s and the 90s like Barry Horowitz, Brooklyn Brawler or Reno Riggins were never Intercontinental or Tag Team champions and appeared on PPVs before they became jobbers.
It would not look awkward and idiotic to have Hawkins, Reks, Ryder, Young or McGillicutty as jobbers if they haven't started as superstars who won matches, appeared on PPV or were even champions.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:21 AM   #60 (permalink)
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True, but when do they even get to do jobs? I can't even remember the last time I saw Hawkins on WWE tv..

And the point is, Russo manages to keep jobbers entertaining, by giving them outlandish gimmicks and minor storylines, so that when they appear on your screen you don't groan and switch the channel

edit: And yeah, like DualShock says above, these guys are way lower than they once were and should be. To say Russo would not be their saviour is completely untrue, whether you like Russo or not.
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