Here's the back & forth with me & the kid, starting with my initial post about the Freebirds & Horsemen.
For the record, the NWO was somewhat a copy of the Horsemen, as they were doing the same shit NWO did a decade later.
And even before them, you had the Freebirds in Texas. Those 2 stables brought attitude to wrestling. As for redefining what it meant to be a heel, Freebirds>>>>Horsemen>>>>NWO.
(I feel that was pretty accurate)
Hulk started the first big wrestling boom as a babyface then did it again as a heel with NWO which set the blueprint for Steve Austin and Rocky. Did Flair, Horsemen, Freebirds ever do either?
(First sign he knew nothing about wrestling pre-1996)
Originally Posted by Cookie Monster
Icon vs. Icon, when did you actually start watching wrestling? Your posts make me think you started watching wrestling way after the likes of nWo had formed and when Attitude Era was at its peak you were really young and are basing all your "knowledge" on nostalgia or youtube clips you've gathered over the years.
(I know, right)
Did you even read my fucking post?
I didn't say jack shit about a wrestling boom. I said the Freebirds & Horsemen redefined what it was to be a heel (stable) and some of the shit they did was duplicated by NWO later on.
Those 2 stables were able to get legit heat and many times, caused fans to nearly riot as a result of their actions (Freebirds attacking Kerry Von Erich on Christmas 1982; Horsemen attacking Dusty after he saved Flair from an attack by the Russians).
You constantly misinterpret everything in order to bring up Hogan, Austin & Rocky. Wrestling history is based more on that and anybody who knows the slightest about wrestling pre-1996 knows that the Horsemen and Freebirds redefined the role of a heel (stable).
Im knowledgeable about the history of wrestling. I know Flair redefined what it meant to be a heel but my point is that NWO had the biggest impact cuz they started the trend were babyfaces now had to have "attitude" to compete with NWO cuz they were so cool. Everyone knows i love Sting but him and Goldberg didnt last to long at that high level cuz they didnt have enough of that attitude like Rocky and Steve Austin, thats what fans craved to see and thats the trend NWO started.
Oh, is that right? Knowledgeable about the history of wrestling? You know Flair redefined what it meant to be a heel, which was my point, yet you bring up 4 guys I never even mentioned.
He doesn't bring up ALL the facts, just those that support his argument. I'm not biased towards anybody but I at least try to be logical and not speak on shit I have no clue about. Because at the end of the day, this thread is opinion based and no opinion is wrong.
But yeah, inb4 another long winded post about ratings, buyrates, merchandise figures, possibly a Youtube clip and more gibberish that basically has nothing to do with what I originally said.
And he doesn't read what I say because he has no clue what I'm talking about. Buddy Roberts is a total enigma to him. But, if I was to make a comment about how big Rock's dick is, he'd be the first to comment with a estimate, including length and girth because he doesn't know shit unless it has to do with Rock.
He bases his "mass" wrestling knowledge on 1 guy and think that's all the business was ever about.
(And there's my bait. Let's see if he bites.)
(Odd how you don't even know the difference between Buddy Roberts and Buddy Rogers. I thought you said you was knowledgeable about the history of wrestling?)
And I've completely proven my point.
Silly kid doesn't know the difference between Buddy ROBERTS and Buddy ROGERS. I bet you felt so smart when you was making this post, too.
By the way, Hogan was on the map in the years I listed, seeing as how he was main eventing in AWA and Melzter listed him third each year, IIRC.
(Based on a previous post where I mentioned Meltzer calling Flair the biggest draw in 1981, 1982 and 1983. Him, drunkenly, saying it was Hogan. Let's watch him change his tune.
Sorry i always quickly skim over your posts cuz there so long and boring. Simple mistake but im sure you guys will never believe me or let it go just so you can finally say you "got me"
(Not a mistake, you clearly didn't know who Buddy Roberts was. Damn, could have at least used Wikipedia and pretended you know him.)
It wasn't a mistake, you legit thought "Freebird" Buddy Roberts had his gimmick stolen by Flair.
I could have accepted it being a mistake if it wasn't for you closing the post with smilies, as if you just proved you're such a historical wrestling enthusiast.
And it's not about getting you, it's about proving my point and that was that Buddy Roberts was an enigma to you and the reason I said that is because you seem to lack any discussion about anything pre-1996, so I was nearly positive you would be confused regarding a guy from the early 80s, who's only recognition in the past 25 years was him passing away not too long ago.
And my whole rant was about the Freebirds in 1982. I'm not sure if Buddy Rogers was still wrestling by then.
Just stop and stick to Rock arguments.
Steve Austin headlined like 5 PPV in 1997 but nobody would consider that his peak.
Lets say i was unsure about who he was, wouldnt it have made far more sense for me to just simply look him up instead of taking a guess? Its obvious i just made a simple mistake when i skimmed over your boring posts which you yourself have accused me of many times.
(What the fuck does that have to do with anything I just said?)
I never said anything about a peak. I simply stated that Flair was a bigger draw in 1981-1983 and despite Hogan not being in his peak, top 3 for all 3 years was impressive, since he wasn't at his peak, right?
And Flair didn't begin to peak until 1983. Hogan worked for the bigger company, Flair worked for NWA, which was made up of several small territories. Plus, Hogan was a pretty big deal, appearing on talk shows BEFORE WWF.
But, I know. Doesn't count because he wasn't at his peak. Agree to disagree....better yet, you're right and I'm wrong.
My posts are boring to you because they don't consist of non stop Dwayne dick sucking and tend to address the history of the business, something you clearly know nothing about because you only credit the same 3 guys with anything.
And if my posts are so boring and you constantly skim over them, why do you constantly try to disprove what I say, without fully reading and understand what I say?
The logical approach for when you don't understand something is to not speak on it, otherwise, you look totally misinformed.
If it makes you feel better ill give you those 3 years cuz every year after that Hulk was always over Flair while Flair was stuck holding his bags. Even in 2002 Mania was all about Rocky and Hulk while Flair was in a midcard match that got no promotion.
You just come across like you think you know it all and so full of yourself. When you get owned you just throw a fit and avoid the conversation. I lost all respect for you back when we had that Sting debate when you refused to look at the video of Nash proving me right about Sting being the first choice to join NWO. Then you kept repeating how Bret was the first choice yet you had no proof but still kept posting it lol your a joke.
Ive already explained how it was a simple error cuz i always skim over his long boring posts, which i might add he himself has said to me in numerous occasions before it happened. Like i posted earlier im sure you guys wont let it go cuz you couldnt dispute any of my other claims and just avoided the subject each time when you all got owned.
(Avoid the conversation because I choose not to argue with such a misinformed retard, who fantasizes about Dwayne's johnson in his mouth. And how the hell can I prove a rumor? I'm quite sure it needed to happen in order for me to prove it.)
You think I give half a fuck about you losing respect for me?
I don't give a damn what Sting makes. He's my second favorite wrestler, regardless of his paycheck. But after experiencing Sting first hand since 1989, I know for a FACT he was not always the top guy. Luger and Simmons got pushes ahead of him, while he was in the mid card feuding with Jake and Cactus Jack. Before Flair left, there was an idea to give Scott Steiner the belt but Scott refused because he didn't want to break up the Steiner Brothers.
And who cares what Nash said? He's the same guy that said Goldberg getting injured in December of 1999 ruined an angle that was dead 8 months before that. He also said he didn't book himself to end the streak. So, his word is the gospel now?
IF YOU PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION, I've said plenty of times that the RUMOUR was Bret was coming, at the behest of Hall & Nash, who said it would benefit his potential career in Hollywood. DO YOU NOT KNOW THE DEFINITION OF A RUMOUR? HOW CAN I PROVIDE PROOF OF A RUMOUR, SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T EVEN HAPPEN?
But I understand, you lose respect for people who have different opinions. I also understand that you're this historian who knows everything about wrestling 96-present but had no fucking clue that Buddy Roberts & Buddy Rogers were 2 different people. And that alone makes me think you don't know jack shit about WCW in the days of the International Title, the 6 Man Tag Team Titles, the York Foundation, Big Josh, "The Wild Eyed Southern Boy" Tracy Smothers, the classic Pillman/Liger matches, the early days of Raven & Rob Van Dam, Gordy & Williams as tag team champs or the Skyscrapers. So, I doubt you can tell a southern boy who was born on WCW, what was going on in WCW at that time. And for the most part, Sting WAS NOT in the main event. Why do you care so much about what he made?
Since your focus is on money, I WANT YOU TO PROVIDE ME A LIST OF EVERY WCW CONTRACT IN 1992. TELL ME WHAT EVERYBODY MADE. OH, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE NASH DIDN'T TELL YOU WHAT EVERYBODY MADE, JUST WHAT WAS A COMMON FUCKING SENSE DEAL THAT STING HAD THE BEST CONTRACT IN WCW BECAUSE HE HAD THE ONLY GURANTEED CONTRACT. The only other guys with those original WCW contracts had all left at that point (Flair, Luger, Road Warriors).
And we end there. See, he got so butt hurt because I didn't agree with him that Sting was the highest paid guy in WCW. The reason I didn't believe him is because Windham said Flair & Luger were making the same as Sting before they left. Secondly, Hogan came in making $700,000 per PPV. Lastly, I've seen an article from Meltzer in about 1999 that has DDP listed as making $1.5 million a year, while Sting was making $1 million a year.
And I felt dumb for doing all of that, as it just made his dick even harder. I've never seen someone not in the wrestling business so obsessed with the financial aspects, in regards to who was being paid what. What difference does the pay make?
Even worse, in the same thread, some fag admitted he would turn homo for Corporate Rock. Just for even typing that, I'm convinced he already is homo. Oh well.