Here is my problem with "Agnostics". First, and foremost I have more respect for religious folks than I do "Agnostics" because at least the religious folks are sold on what they believe. I am atheist so I especially respect our view because we are sold on the idea that we feel is true to us. "Agnostics" on the other hand are the complete opposite. You neither claim one side over the other. You don't necessarily believe in a true deity, but reject Muhammad, Jesus, or any other prophet even with religious scriptures written about this "truth". You are still chasing this "truth" to life, and the meaning of our existence.
You are just playing it "safe" because you to live in fear of this "God" you are willing to admit "could be there", but won't except religions full blown texts that suggest what you already believe in, and that is the "truth". Don't get me wrong, is there "truth" in a more reasonable way in our everyday lives? Yes. It's true that "if" you break the law you "may" go to jail. There is truth to being alive, but in a much more practical, non-spiritual type of way. "Agnostics" are living in fear just like many other religious peoples. You all just can't admit it, so you stand in the middle, and point fingers at both sides be it atheist, or religious people.
I don't believe in science either. Science exist therefore I understand it. I went to public school like many others, and was taught science because it is real. I don't necessarily believe in anything because well, it makes no sense to me. What does believing in something actually do? If my son were to come up to me, and say "father do you believe I can score a goal tomorrow?". My rational answer is yes, but lets be honest here I'm not building a religious temple to pray so that my son will be certain that I believe his chances of scoring a goal next week are real. WTF?
Life is more meaningful than questioning where it came from. I came from my mothers womb, and I'm certain many other mammals came from their "mother's" womb as well. No, man isn't the know all answer to the Universe, we came from a single celled organism that took billions of years to evolve in to what we are today. By the way I learned that in science class. I'm certain there are many forms of life in the infinite universe that look nothing like humans at all, and are quite frankly more than likely to small to see with a naked eye because much of that life is like bacteria, or single cell organisms. There is no answer to life, just like there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Leprechauns, Unicorns, God, Satan, He-Man, Illuminati, Reptilian Races, Shape shifters, Shadow People, Leviathan, Zeus, so on, and so forth.
As much of an Atheist that I am I admire religions as much as I can easily despise them. I can't deny the fact that religion has done more individual good than bad. Those that think religion has done far worse are wrong. It's people that spoil ideas, or beliefs. Pages of any book should not make anyone do any one thing, or the other. People will always be their very own problem despite the Gods they have made up along the way. I have witnessed the good of religion around me. I know plenty of Christians who have cared for me when I was ill, given me jobs, supported me when I was grieving the loss of my father, and I just can't see how their belief in Jesus made them harmful to me.
Am I trying to convince people what I believe? No. I don't believe in anything really outside of the abilities of myself, whatever the fuck that means. You don't see Atheist want Sharia Law, or for that matter every law in the United States that stems from Anglo-Saxon Christian laws, or beliefs. I had a lawyer friend show me tons of laws, that are still in effect today, but are not enforced by law enforcement all over the United States. Many of those laws come directly from religious ideologies. Atheist aren't imposing laws on people, and people should at least respect that. We aren't fighting each other over presumed "holy land" either.
I don't care if society believes in Jesus, or Muhammad, or King David. What matters to me is that I don't. I'm not in fear of being judged, persecuted, or damned after I die. I don't believe in those things during this state of consciousness. Living in fear makes absolutely no sense to me. Forcing that fear upon yourself just doesn't work for me like it obviously does for others. I realize most people aren't basing their everyday tasks on whether, or not it's a sin, or if they should pray. At the same time when it comes down to it most people will kid themselves in to thinking that there is a price to pay for being bad once you are dead.
The problem with mankind is that as much as they want to believe in a truth, or at least think that there is this answer to "everything" they hardly realize what they are even asking? The truth to what? Define life. Are you talking your life specifically, humans in general, and life undiscovered? Lets be frank here, the only thing that should matter is what is apparent to your conscious mind. The odds are seemingly in favor that life ceases to exist. Meaning that we are all mortals conscious of ourselves, but not conscious of our immortal selves (many of you call it your soul).
We have no one creator, nor any specific purpose other than to be conscious of our "mortal" selves. If we evolved to know that we were immortal, there would be massive suicide, and no progress ever. People would just keep hitting the "reset" button. This is where religion has done society a favor, and has kept billions of you insane, and thus keeping society as a whole, immortally forever. Thank you Jesus, Muhammad, Allah, God, and other great deity that was not mentioned, my hats off to you all. You point out that Atheist worship science, but that hardly makes sense. One would think that's exactly what "Agnostics" like yourself actually "believe in", science. Science can prove the non-existence of God, the same way it can prove the existence of a creator. Unfortunately for you they have only proven God not to exist.
Last edited by truk83; 12-04-2012 at 01:14 PM.