Originally Posted by DualShock
All the quotes you posted are about violence and punishment but do you realize what this posts are all about? This is what will happen on judgment day where all sinners will be punished by God. There is no word that mortal people should punish someone in the new testament. "God crippled the sinners" "Any city that doesn't receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah""Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned". These are only predictions what will happen with the sinners on judgment day, nothing proves my point wrong that a religion calls people for hate and violence.
Yes, some of the quotations I used can be applied to predictions for judgement day. But are you going to sit there and claim that Jesus criticizing Jews for not killing disobedient children for example falls under a prediction on what could happen on judgement day? Because that is pretty sick to me. It also suggests that indeed there are passages which call for mortal beings to incite violence as punishment in the new testament because Jesus is saying right there that the Jewish people should have killed the children.
Also the blank statement on killing non believers also appears readily in both the old and the new testament. YET at the same time there is also teachings of forgiveness to unbelievers who are ignorant and don't know any better and/or unbelievers who do not commit sin and are good people. These statements of killing non believers are not just predictions of judgement day, they are spread out throughout the entire bible in both the new and old testament. That is a clear contradiction when it comes enticing of violence. It is essentially saying violence IS the answer when it comes to dealing with non believers in certain passages.
You talk about the fact that the new testament only talks about violence against sinners on judgement day yet there are passages and quotations from the new testament that justify violence against "sinners" which are clearly immoral and most sane people would say is wrong:
Couple of examples from Romans:
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32
God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12
And there are other examples from the new testament I can point out. Regardless of the fact that these examples I've used are not one's where Jesus or the prophets encourage other people to commit these horrendous acts, the fact that these acts are justified in the new testament and the fact that it is god himself who is willing to spread these messages himself and commit these acts himself is almost even worse than encouraging other people to do it. As you are supposed to lead by example. I mean how can you punish someone else for another person's doing? It is obviously ridiculously silly to say the least.
Originally Posted by DualShock
There are no honest, real religious people who are violent because that is against their religion. If you ask religious people about a sinner they will answer you that he will be punished by God, no real Muslim or Christian will ever say that he will punish someone in the name of God
Please define to me what a "real religious person" is. You cannot define someone as a "real" religious person is simply because you believe their viewpoints on their religion are correct and right. Its like me trying to argue what a "true conservative" is when there are many different views on what true conservatism is. In this case, the only real way of defining what a real religious person is through the dictionary definition of the word "religious".
The dictionary definition of religious comes under three parts:
1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity.
2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.
3. Extremely scrupulous or conscientious: religious devotion to duty.
Which sounds about right to me, a religious person does generally show belief in a god or deity but not always. They definitely show concern with at least religious text to some degree if not teaching it and of course religious devotion is a huge part in this as well. By this definition, the westboro baptist church are just as "real" in being religious people as a moderate christian. And that is just going by the definition of religious alone. Not with my personal bias involved. You are can't say someone is not a "real" religious person just because they do not espouse views you agree with.
Originally Posted by DualShock
And to be honest I haven't even clicked on the YouTube video with this blond bimbo. This is like posting a video of Waz Perviz to prove why PG is better than Attitude Era
That's a shame, because she is definitely no bimbo. She's very intelligent. And it is not a video on atheism being better than religion either. Its simply a video on something she read into/discovered/found out. I'd suggest you watch it because its very interesting but to try and explain it real quick:
She watched a video on navy chaplin talking about gay marriage and in his argument he uses the quote from Romans on homosexuality as a sin which I typed out earlier in this post that the people who commit homosexuality are committing sin and those who voice their voice of approval on homosexuality are also committing sins and are worthy of death.
She researches into the quote and finds out it is indeed what it says and decides out of curiosity to read the whole passage. The passage talks about the people who knew about the christian god but did not recognize or worship him. God later in the passage punished these people by...wait for it....turning them gay.
I couldn't believe it myself but I researched the verse it comes from and it indeed says that. It is from Romans 1:26-27. So in the new testament it says homosexuality is a sin yet in another passage as a punishment, god turns them into homosexuals...its yet another contradiction and it doesn't make any sense. I highly recommend you to watch the video or at least research the verse yourself. Its very interesting to say the least.
I'm going to bed now as its quarter to 2. Have fun arguing with Ghandi.