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Old 11-28-2012, 09:57 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Okay. I just made it through the half of the "Rant" and I just couldn't finish it.

The times are different now, some may believe in God-Heaven/Earth/Hell or afterlife and say don't believe in him, yet shout it in people's ears "HEY BRO IM AN ATHEIST, I DUN BELIEVE IN GOD, BUT WHY YOU GUISE BELIEVE IN HELL OR HEAVEN?!!!"

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Think I will go on and add my point of view in here, which will never agree with anyone, but starting from one point, I was grown up believing in God and over time, you either begin to understand things and believe further, or you begin to sometimes not understand things and quit believing, everyone is different. Who can prove God exists? Only those who have had some (as they feel) miraculous movement in their life, some radical change. But also, no one can prove that he doesnt exist, logically impossible.

So that is stated on that point. I believe that the world just didnt create itself, and if it did why are we the only lucky planet to have life on it? Look how much uniqueness and differences and other shit that exists on this planet, did some of it happen by coincidence? Maybe, I dont know, but do I believe the world works in the hands of someone else, shaping this world? Sure. Will everyone agree? No, and it isnt my point to make you agree or believe.

But there is too much crazy shit and mysterious amazingness that goes on in the world to say it "just happens by itself" I also see people who will swear up and down God doesnt exist, and tells those that do to stop, and "everyone" who does it is stupid or whatever they have to say. But, obviously something is working for them, and if it wasnt do you think they would continue to do it?

Religion is made by man to control man, when you really put it down to the core of things. Do I believe in science too? Of course, but not everything in science, I believe that God gave us the ability to create modern marvels and miracles in medicine and research.

Why is science and God separated? Maybe ego? Pride? Or someone just wants to prove the world wrong? I have no idea.

Some have faith and it works for them, it gets them through life and tribulations. Some prefer not to believe and that is ok too.

Same with science, some work hard to discover the entire matter of life and what works and what doesnt, and some prefer to have a different opinion on things.

But who is to say one day you will find out that science will lead all back to God? How much of science has changed and been wrong, and how much of believing in God changed or been wrong?

And for those who say God doesnt exist, applaud for your opinion but why? And you can say well science is real, and it's proof and God isnt real there is no proof.... Says who? A person who believes, you can never change their opinion, and a person who doesnt believe, you will probably never change their opinion either. So if you will say he does exist, come up with some intelligence and tell me why he doesnt. In my opinion he does exist. Why? Well it is my own personal beliefs and Ive gotten out of some tough situations in life with God. So it is about experience more or less.

If you are going to make some debate with this, be intelligent, and not a lolligaggin twat, or just dont say shit.


And I want to add onto squidges top post, if I understood correctly. Matter doesnt create consciousness. When the universe was just nothing of vast cold, stars, and emptiness, a bunch of gases rocks particles, sun light, ice, whatever, didnt just collide and all of a sudden bacteria andamoebas and whatever just appeared and began to grow into the planet we have today. And "if" it did, where is the proof from outer space that it happened? And why cant we find "what" created us if it happened from space? There has to be consciousness to create consciousness. Something just doesnt magically grow a brain and thoughts and life from nothing. And again if it did, why are we the only planet to exist with life "so far"? Why do no other planets have trees, life, atmosphere, and the things we have?
If you're an atheist, mind your own fucking business, If you have questions, Google them, not post it in "Rants" with your broken understanding of English grammar.

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Old 11-28-2012, 09:57 AM   #22 (permalink)
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S'll good, I'll just be chilling with Hades in the underworld, scouting out that Persephone.

To be honest, Hell is not a concept that I believe in. All this 'Thou has had sex and sinned, now will burn in hell' is ridiculous to live your life by religious restrictions aimed at certain areas of life. However, and this is a big however; People like Hitler, who have slaughter millions deserve to be tossed into a pit and tortured. I'm sure those Jews lived though their own personal hell on those concentration camps. You cannot just sit there and say Hitler doesn't deserve to burn in metaphorical hell because he does.

My personal belief is not the christian version of hell, but each of us can go though a personal hell whilst we're still alive. Each person can go though things in life that are worse than death. I think that's the kind of hell people should be afraid of. Suffering so unimaginable that you just wish to die....unless you're Hitler than I wouldn't piss on you if you were burning.
When did I say Hitler doesn't deserve hell? I said he doesn't deserve hell for all eternity because there comes a point where you should just give mercy even to the worst of human beings.I am not against the concept of hell,I am against the concept of hell forever to anybody.
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And to stay relevant to the topic, Hell is strictly a metaphor. There isn't really a place where someone suffers for all of eternity. Most people understand that and the religious people who believe it use it as a way to scare others who are less informed.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:03 AM   #25 (permalink)
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When did I say Hitler doesn't deserve hell? I said he doesn't deserve hell for all eternity because there comes a point where you should just give mercy even to the worst of human beings.I am not against the concept of hell,I am against the concept of hell forever to anybody.
I was not specially aiming at you or I would have quoted your post.

I was using Hitler as a metaphor.
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You wouldn't have go to hell if you didn't fuck corpses. Also, you should try reading Dante's inferno:



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Okay. I just made it through the half of the "Rant" and I just couldn't finish it.

The times are different now, some may believe in God-Heaven/Earth/Hell or afterlife and say don't believe in him, yet shout it in people's ears "HEY BRO IM AN ATHEIST, I DUN BELIEVE IN GOD, BUT WHY YOU GUISE BELIEVE IN HELL OR HEAVEN?!!!"

Let me quote an intelligent person :



If you're an atheist, mind your own fucking business, If you have questions, Google them, not post it in "Rants" with your broken understanding of English grammar.

Done.
You say you didn't read all of the rant then you post something that has nothing to do with what I ranted about.Real clever.I do mind my own fucking business,But teaching hell to kids and teaching them some people deserve hell forever is not right.This rant had NOTHING to do with me saying I'm an atheist,But ofcourse you people will keep on saying teh stupidest shit to justify that you didn't even bother reading shit.

Also the rants section is for rants,I can rant about whatever the fuck I want and since there isn't any other rant thread discussing the concept of hell for all eternity I decided to make one myself.Broken English? This crap? Oh lord.
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You'll like hell Ghandi, it's full of dead people.

You might even get to fuck one or two of them if you're lucky
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What is the point of the rant about hell when you are an atheist? That is like a non-wrestling fan complaining that WWE is PG

If you are an atheist this all (God, heaven, hell) should not bother you anymore. In every religion hell is for bad people, what makes no sense is that you are an atheist but you think about hell that means that deep down in your heart you are afraid that you made a bad decision by becoming an atheist therefore you are scared of hell
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