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Old 10-07-2012, 06:27 PM   #251 (permalink)
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*1 - This is simply not true.

*2 - I, personally, do not think that she will be convicted of murder.
What irrefutable evidence can you present to the court that would get her off of murder? What possible reasons have you come up with. If you just say because she's young... getthehellouttahere.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:31 PM   #252 (permalink)
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What irrefutable evidence can you present to the court that would get her off of murder? What possible reasons have you come up with. If you just say because she's young... getthehellouttahere.
You don't need irrefutable evidence. She was a 14 year old girl, she hid the pregnancy which speaks to her state of mind. She delivered the baby alone and terminated it while in all certainty under significant physical and mental pain. She was backed into a corner and thought that this was the best option, she was clearly not in a sound state of mind. All of this is grounds for voluntary manslaughter, and her age will play a big role. I wouldn't be surprised if she accepted a plea of voluntary manslaughter and the abuse charge.
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People like Warren are the reason why society thinks wrestling fans are inbred redneck scum

Can't even fathom how someone could be so fucking stupid
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:35 PM   #254 (permalink)
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Don't feed the troll. Warren is doing one of the greatest troll jobs in internet history.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:38 PM   #256 (permalink)
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You don't need irrefutable evidence. She was a 14 year old girl, she hid the pregnancy which speaks to her state of mind. She delivered the baby alone and terminated it while in all certainty under significant physical and mental pain. She was backed into a corner and thought that this was the best option, she was clearly not in a sound state of mind. All of this is grounds for voluntary manslaughter, and her age will play a big role. I wouldn't be surprised if she accepted a plea of voluntary manslaughter and the abuse charge.
The prosecutors are trying her for murder I don't think they'll be offering a plea bargain unless they had any danger of the murder charge not sticking. Unless she has severe mental problems which was never mentioned in the article at least, there is no reason why it wouldn't stick. As for she hid the pregnancy and delivered the baby alone, that was merely so she wouldn't get caught. Nothing of what you mentioned is evidence, letting her get away with a lesser charge would be setting an unhealthy precedent for young mothers everywhere. Unless you know another case like this, where the mother has got off with only the evidence that you have suggested?
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:38 PM   #257 (permalink)
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Don't feed the troll. Warren is doing one of the greatest troll jobs in internet history.
I hope he's trolling. It would give me some hope that society isn't fucked.
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The prosecutors are trying her for murder I don't think they'll be offering a plea bargain unless they had any danger of the murder charge not sticking. Unless she has severe mental problems which was never mentioned in the article at least, there is no reason why it wouldn't stick. As for she hid the pregnancy and delivered the baby alone, that was merely so she wouldn't get caught. Nothing of what you mentioned is evidence, letting her get away with a lesser charge would be setting an unhealthy precedent for young mothers everywhere. Unless you know another case like this, where the mother has got off with only the evidence that you have suggested?
Katrina Effert is a very similar situation, though this took place in Canada. I'm sure I could find others if I did some digging, but I can't recall any off the top of my head.
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I found some others with a quick search:

• March 19, 2008 — Naomi Jessica Russell-Simpson, 21, left her newborn baby in a plastic bag under a bed in her Edmonton home. An autopsy later determined the baby had been born alive with no birth defects or obvious injuries. Russell-Simpson was handed an 18-month conditional sentence after pleading guilty to failing to obtain assistance in childbirth and concealing the body of a child.

• In 2000, Calgary’s Leanne Wise, 27, pleaded guilty to improperly disposing of a human body and was given 18 months. Wise was at home when it was reported she went to the washroom for a long time. When she emerged, people in the home noticed she had something wrapped in plastic under her housecoat. When questioned by her husband, Wise said she had passed a tumour. The medical examiner said the baby could have been stillborn, or he could have been born alive and “smothered with a towel or pillow.”

• Shelley Netter, 26, left her baby daughter in a garbage bag on her Edmonton doorstep. Originally charged with infanticide, but received a three-year suspended sentence in 1998 after pleading guilty to failing to provide the necessities of life.

• In 1998, Liza Santos strangled her seven-week-old baby at home in Calgary, thinking she was protecting him from demons. Charged with second-degree murder but found not criminally responsible due to mental disorder.

• Melanie Sheila Murphy, 21, left her baby daughter in a garbage bag at the college she was attending in Camrose. She was given a suspended sentence for infanticide in 1998 and ordered to perform 75 hours of community service.
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She has a baby in her arms, she strangles it, it lived before, it is dead after, by actions she performed intentionally, IT'S FUCKING MURDER MOTHERFUCKER!
And I don't care if you "disagree", THIS. IS. NOT. A. MATTER. OF. OPPINION. BUT. DEFINITION. Whatever the court decides on this case, it doesn't fucking matter, it still is MURDER, it is NOT ANYFUCKINGTHING ELSE, it doesn't make a SHITFUCKPISSCUNTMOTHERHUMPING DIFFERENCE if the kid was strangled, shot, poisoned or put under a bloody monstertruck, so please finally strangle your sorry ass you pathetic scumbag. Or choose some other humane form of "culling", just GTFO off of our planet.
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