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Old 09-19-2012, 04:45 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I pray you to pause and consider. Against our traditions we are now entering upon an unjust and trivial war, a war against a helpless people, and for a base object--robbery. At first our citizens spoke out against this thing, by an impulse natural to their training. Today they have turned, and their voice is the other way. What caused the change? Merely a politician's trick--a high-sounding phrase, a blood-stirring phrase which turned their uncritical heads: Our Country, right or wrong! An empty phrase, a silly phrase. It was shouted by every newspaper, it was thundered from the pulpit, the Superintendent of Public Instruction placarded it in every schoolhouse in the land, the War Department inscribed it upon the flag. And every man who failed to shout it or who was silent, was proclaimed a traitor--none but those others were patriots. To be a patriot, one had to say, and keep on saying, "Our Country, right or wrong," and urge on the little war. Have you not perceived that that phrase is an insult to the nation?

For in a republic, who is "the Country"? Is it the Government which is for the moment in the saddle? Why, the Government is merely a servant--merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them. Who, then, is "the Country"? Is it the newspaper? is it the pulpit? is it the school superintendent? Why, these are mere parts of the country, not the whole of it; they have not command, they have only their little share in the command. They are but one in the thousand; it is in the thousand that command is lodged; they must determine what is right and what is wrong; they must decide who is a patriot and who isn't.

Who are the thousand--that is to say, who are "the Country"? In a monarchy, the king and his family are the country; in a republic it is the common voice of the people. Each of you, for himself, by himself and on his own responsibility, must speak. And it is a solemn and weighty responsibility, and not lightly to be flung aside at the bullying of pulpit, press, government, or the empty catch-phrases of politicians. Each must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, and which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide it against your convictions is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. If you alone of all the nation shall decide one way, and that way be the right way according to your convictions of the right, you have done your duty by yourself and by your country--hold up your head! You have nothing to be ashamed of.

Only when a republic's life is in danger should a man uphold his government when it is in the wrong. There is no other time.
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Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world "No, you move."
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:46 PM   #52 (permalink)
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So you are born in Kuwait, you live in Egypt but feel unlucky there and think you can compare yourself with people from USA, Australia and Canada who are born in their country and live their whole life there and think you are in a better position than these people to decide if patriotism is retarded? I dont think so.
And you being atheist doesn't change the fact and the point in my post that people think you are muslim only because you are from egypt and therefore you have an inferiority complex
I don't feel "unlucky" I just feel patriotism to any country "Even Kuwait" is stupid.Why would you be proud of things you have not achieved? I can understand it when people are proud of people close to them but how the fuck can an entire country be close to you its just dirt you walk on and silly flags.Also,I'd choose to live in Kuwait over any country even though I heard Canada is really good for people like me,I'm not comparing myself to anybody I literally think being proud of hailing from anywhere is stupid.

It somewhat sucks to live a life in secret but I also feel good about myself knowing I'm not as ignorant as most people I know here.I have inferiority complex because I feel like an alien here? What does me being an atheist "or christian" have to do with anything? That has to be the stupidest assumption I've read on this thread.
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:52 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Gandi, just move to North Korea if you hate Patriotism, I'm sure you would love it there. Oh wait, you're from Egyt where there is no freedom like North Korea, heh no wonder you hate Patriotism.
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do you have brain damage mystical? or is just the concept of reading or knowing stuff simply foreign to you?
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:59 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Old 09-19-2012, 05:03 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I didn't have time to read the whole original post, bro. ^
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Gandi, just move to North Korea if you hate Patriotism, I'm sure you would love it there. Oh wait, you're from Egyt where there is no freedom like North Korea, heh no wonder you hate Patriotism.
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Why would you be proud of things you have not achieved?
Uh, what? Specify what you're talking about here. Are you telling us that we should not be proud of a local athlete who makes it big just because you haven't done it? What kind of sick, sick shit do you read?

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I can understand it when people are proud of people close to them but how the fuck can an entire country be close to you its just dirt you walk on and silly flags.
I can be proud of a local sports team or an Olympic team because THEY REPRESENT THE CITY OR COUNTRY.

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It somewhat sucks to live a life in secret but I also feel good about myself knowing I'm not as ignorant as most people I know here.
There is no ignorance - you're plain trolling. You have this complex where you disagree with everyone else using the most stupid, nonsensical shit that you can find to try and make yourself appear smarter. It's not working, obviously.

And yes, I carried over my beating stick from the other thread over to this one. You're too easy.
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