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Old 09-19-2012, 11:16 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:16 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Sure I don't mind explaining being proud of my country,
For staters I can go and do or be whatever I want, have the opportunity to do so becasue I live in a free contry where unlike soem others we all have the right to work and vote man and woman alike. Shit I am proud to be from Boston, we have had won championsships in all four major sports over the last decade and I have been to all 7 championship parades. I am proud to know that when another country needs help we will be one of the first to assist in providing aid to said countries. I can alos be proud of all the men and women who fight on a daily basis to keep ours and others safe from tyranny. I can also be proud of the fact that no matter what religion I may or may not prcatice that I have the ability to do so with out being crucified for it. I am proud to live in a state where we acknowledge that people of the same sex can get married and be as miserable in amrriage as the rest of us. I could go on but I shall not as I have said quite a bit.
That sounds good and all,But that still doesn't mean you owe your country shit.Your country isn't your family,Your country is not a person its just fucking land filled with people who 99% "or more" you don't even know.Does being from Boston make you better than me for being Egyptian? No.Its fine to like your own country,But its not fine to think your country is special and better than other places because its all earth.

If you mean you like the rules and form of justice around that specific geographical area,Then yeah sure its ok to say "I love living in Boston" not "Boston rocks" you know what I mean?
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:18 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Default Re: Nationalism and Patriotism are fucking retarded.

Wow some of this rant is stupid. First of all you are talking as if Patriotism and Nationalism are the same thing when they are not. Nationalism means to give more importance to unity by way of a cultural background, including language and heritage. Patriotism pertains to the love for a nation, with more emphasis on values and beliefs. Nationalism is a feeling that one’s country is superior to another in all respects, while patriotism is merely a feeling of admiration for a way of life. To be patriotic is to simply be proud of a country's ideals, beliefs and history. It is not the feeling your country is superior like Nationalism.

What is wrong being proud of your own country's heritage, ideals and history? What is wrong with being proud of the good things that a country has gone? Its not ignoring all the bad stuff your own country has done, its simply acknowledging the good of one's own country. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. That is patriotism. You used Hitler as a very broad, general and extreme example to back up your argument whilst again failing to see nationalism and patriotism are different. Sweeping generalizations like that do not back up the point as to why people shouldn't be proud of the good things there particular nation has done or stands for.

There are some good points you make, like no one should tell you you are a traitor because you want to move out and people should acknowledge their countries flaws as well as their strengths. I agree with those points, especially the former. Who the fuck should tell you you are a traitor because you want to move somewhere else? You are rightly angry about that. But to take these points you are clearly angry about and to make a sweeping generalization like you have, particularly linking patriotism and nationalism as exactly the same almost entirely undermines those points.
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:18 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Pride is always about something you achieved. You couldn't choose, where you were born and you had no influence to the past of the place you were born. Therefore Patriotism/Nationalism is absolutely ilogical. Don't be proud about where you were born, you didn't contribute anything to the geographical coordinates of your moms vag during birth. You can be GLAD you were born in Xyz because of different reasons, but if you are >proud< your just plain stupid
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:19 AM   #15 (permalink)
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OP only posting this because he lives in shitty Egypt.

You wouldn't see an Aussie or an American post this garbage, because we live in awesome countries.

Egypt is about as irrelevant as the knockouts tag team title.
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:21 AM   #16 (permalink)
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That sounds good and all,But that still doesn't mean you owe your country shit.Your country isn't your family,Your country is not a person its just fucking land filled with people who 99% "or more" you don't even know.Does being from Boston make you better than me for being Egyptian? No.Its fine to like your own country,But its not fine to think your country is special and better than other places because its all earth.

If you mean you like the rules and form of justice around that specific geographical area,Then yeah sure its ok to say "I love living in Boston" not "Boston rocks" you know what I mean?
There in lies your problem you are making it seem like I was comparing the two which I was not, you asked me why I am proud of where I am from and I told you, I did not say I am frmo Boston/USA and am better than you, I never even mentioned your contry. Who cares if I do not know 99% of the people in my country still does nto change the fact that you can in fact be proud of people you do not know, that is what freedom allows you to do, I can be proud of a young girl from a few towns away who became the first american to win a gold medal in judo at the olympics, just cuz I do not know her does not mean I can't be proud of that acheivment, you need to open you mind up a bit there bud. Being this cloed minded will not help you in the future
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i liked this rant, fuck patriotism. some people are good, some are bad... doesn't matter we're they're from. the thing really seperating us though is the language barrier, hard to side with anyone else over someone from your country when u don't know what they're saying. and yea, only land worth defending is the land u own/rent/live on, or a friend/family member, i dig it.
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It's funny taht I could point out the stupid shit your country is doing, like issuing an arrest warrant for a guy who lives in Florida for making a FUCKING MOVIE, but instead let's look at the obvious reason to be proud to be from Egypt, you have one of the wonders of the world The Pyramids, I mean seriously your country built something that is completely amazing, do you not feel pride over the fact that your contry has blessed the world with something so spectacular?

Off to take my lunch time nap, it is a beautiful New England day, leaves are turning colors weather is near perfect, I am proud to take naps in my country, county, city, town
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Pride is always about something you achieved. You couldn't choose, where you were born and you had no influence to the past of the place you were born. Therefore Patriotism/Nationalism is absolutely ilogical. Don't be proud about where you were born, you didn't contribute anything to the geographical coordinates of your moms vag during birth. You can be GLAD you were born in Xyz because of different reasons, but if you are >proud< your just plain stupid
Some people are naturally good looking and can have pride about it. Where you are born is a part of you so nothing wrong with being proud.
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I think a big line has to be drawn between liking the country you live in, and your opinion on the government in charge. And the government and the people have to learn the difference too.

For example I love Britain. I've travelled all over the world but I'm yet to see more beautiful countryside than the Scottish Highlands or the Peak District. I love the British people, though we're a rather dour lot we do tend to be friendly, 18 odd years living in this country (lived on a British military base in Germany for the preceding 4 years) I've never really had a problem with my fellow Britons and when I have, it's usually been entirely my fault.

I'll cheer my national teams at the Euro's and World Cup. I took a mild interest in the Olympics and felt some semblance of pride at Great Britain's hosting of the Games and 'our' tally of medals at the end.


But I despise my government. I fucking hate that the Conservatives are in charge. I hate that the Tories don't seem any different at all from New Labour (Murdoch loving? Check. Pro-monarchy? Check. Pro-"The City"? Check)

My insides twist at knowing I live 24/7 in a monarchy, constitutional or not. I hate that despite whatever I achieve in life there is a group of people who are supposedly superior to me simply because they were born to the 'right' people. You cannot choose to be born, you cannot choose where to be born nor who your family is. On the basest level possible, the differences between human beings are totally superficial. We are all born equal.

The history of 'my' country shames me every single day. Britain is the single most responsible entity for just how fucked up the modern world has become.


"My country right or wrong" is the most retarded ideology ever invented (well, except for that whole 'believing in a magician in the clouds' deal). Right is right, wrong is wrong, up is up, down is down.

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