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Old 09-06-2012, 10:23 PM   #31 (permalink)
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From the content of your post it seems like you are well versed in what sexually arouses a homosexual man. Either that or you're just plain stupid and think that all homosexual men are hypersexual and want to fuck any and all guys at all times.

Aren't there much more important things to be worrying about than sexual orientation?
Gee, let me think about this one here for a second.

Sexual arousal of a homosexual man. Other men and their genitals.

See how easy that was when you add 2+2. Was it really that difficult?

Let me know when you get it. Give yourself a pat on the back in the meantime.

Also, there are more important things to be worrying about. Of course. But why add to it? Are you really missing the point? There is male on male rape in every branch of service. When you're stuck in a valley doing 180 degree security or on mission, you create a bond with the guys in your squad. It's that simple.

You're out there, on edge all the fucking time. All of a sudden another guy comes on to you. You have a loaded M4 with Surefire lighting, vertical grip, and Aimpoint Red Dot. It's not a pretty situation, but that's how you have to be out there. Any little thing that threatens you sets you the fuck off.

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Old 09-06-2012, 10:35 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Nah what I'm saying is people do not like *hate* homosexuals while they, themselves, are straight...


... just saying.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:41 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I wouldn't say people are uncomfortable because they may secretly be gay, but it definitely shows a lack of security in one's own masculinity.
What about me not wanting to be stuck on top of a mountain with a homosexual makes me less masculine? I don't get it.

You guys need to watch the documentary "Restrepo", and fast. I was not in it, nor was I ever there. The situations and living conditions were similar, however. Then think about what you would want over there, if say, whatever sexually disgusted you was present during your "showers".
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I had a case where a CS2 (E5/navy) was caught taking pictures in the men's shower in our gym. This was before DADT was repealed. He just put on E5 like a week ago; they ripped that shit off and gave him 45/45 restriction and half month's pay.
Right. The military is a testosterone-laden entity. It's always been that way, and will forever be that way. It's a man's world. When you have a man that violates the trust of those men, and BELIEVE ME, some of those guys will not trust any homosexual person PERIOD, they're automatically outcasts. You can't have an Army Infantry unit full of straight guys and toss in 3 openly gay guys without the majority of the straight ones being uncomfortable. You guys are literally like this || in the field. Nut to butt for rations and stuff in basic and AIT. You going to single out the gay guy and have him stand a little further back because the straight guy in front of him doesn't want to be touched by a homosexual? No, you can't do that. You treat everyone the same.

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Of course, when it gets to the point of it interfering a mission, the same way a male to a female can interfere with a mission already, then it should dealt with in an equal way, without giving a gay man more of punishment (ie. getting kicked out).
Totally agree here. There is no room for sexual assault in the military. Period.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:38 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I think the real problem is that people are stupid enough to get distracted by gay people. If they are a distraction in the military, I hate to say it, but we might be better off not letting them in combat units. I hate having to admit that this might be the best solution. In any other work place I would say, "Get the fuck over it and deal with it." However people's lives are on the line if they're a combat unit and they need to work as a team. If something is going to be a significant distraction then it needs to be eliminated.

I would need some type of data to consider supporting that opinion. We need to find ways to see if openly gay soldiers will actually have a negative impact on a combat unit. I would be interested in seeing the same thing for women as well.

Right now I don't know enough to make an informed decision. We shouldn't have to segregate the military in any way but if comes to endangering soldiers and military operations or segregating I would have to side with segregating.

The country as a whole needs to get the fuck over being homophobic. It shouldn't be an issue to interact with gay people. If it is in the military then the country's culture as a whole needs to change so we can have gays openly serve.
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What about me not wanting to be stuck on top of a mountain with a homosexual makes me less masculine? I don't get it.
Are you afraid he is going to rape you in the butt?
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:14 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Reading any thread on gay rights and homophobia is like watching a plane slowly plummeting to the ground.

I kind of have the same thoughts as TaylorFitz on this one. If it is proven to be a repeated distraction to have gay people in combat units, then it would be better to just have them in support units. Peoples rights to serve shouldn't be a reason to leave a group of soldiers uncomfortable in life or death situations.

But not every gay person is just waiting to pounce on a soldier every time he gets naked. That is just being really paranoid. I doubt that most sex-addicted homosexuals actually choose to join the army in the first place. Basically I think soldiers must have thicker skin about situations where you are exposed to other male soldiers. It is different for female soldiers tho, so I'm not talking about them here.
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Right. The military is a testosterone-laden entity. It's always been that way, and will forever be that way. It's a man's world. When you have a man that violates the trust of those men, and BELIEVE ME, some of those guys will not trust any homosexual person PERIOD, they're automatically outcasts. You can't have an Army Infantry unit full of straight guys and toss in 3 openly gay guys without the majority of the straight ones being uncomfortable. You guys are literally like this || in the field. Nut to butt for rations and stuff in basic and AIT. You going to single out the gay guy and have him stand a little further back because the straight guy in front of him doesn't want to be touched by a homosexual? No, you can't do that. You treat everyone the same.


Totally agree here. There is no room for sexual assault in the military. Period.
GlassBreaks furthers the sterotype across the world that Americans are stupid. Genesis 1.0 stated earlier debate is between opposing POV and we should debate this rather than mock but if someone for example, has the view that Hitler killing 6 million Jews was the best thing to happen to the world you may respect that he has a different opinion but he should not be debated with, he should be educated.
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I do also wonder why LGBT rights is such a polarizing issue in this country at this day and age.
Religion, mostly.

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I'm a veteran, too. I completely disagree with the repeal of the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" rule and believe that marriage is solely between a man and a woman.
Just to confirm, you're AGINAST gay marriage correct? If so, why? Other than your belief of "marriage is solely between a man and a woman". Gay marriage doesn't affect you.

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The simple fact of the matter is that many straight people in COMBAT ARMS not some supply, transportation or orderly room bullshit do not want homosexual males around them during downtime and on deployments. It's fucking uncomfortable, period.
That's textbook homophobia. Why is it uncomfortable? Because they're gay and might "try something" on you? I highly, HIGHLY doubt gays join the military to pick up guys.

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Nah, my priorities are where they need to be. It's uncomfortable being there to begin with. You don't need the extra stress of a homosexual watching you while you bathe with water bottles. They are around naked guys and guys manning mounted M249's in their boxers all day. It's a fucking dream to them.
They undergo the same stress everyone else does. It's about as much a dream to them as it is to you. Being uncomfortable around them displays a great deal of insecurity and homophobia on your part.

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What makes you think I'm homophobic?
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/homophobia

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The simple fact of the matter is that many straight people in COMBAT ARMS not some supply, transportation or orderly room bullshit do not want homosexual males around them during downtime and on deployments. It's fucking uncomfortable, period.
The above.


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That I don't want a gay man around me when I'm conducting my personal hygiene butt ass naked?
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